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Old 03-23-2004, 12:12 PM   #1 of 11
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JBL Northridge Set-up


Hey everyone, I have been researching putting together my first HT system. Recently purchased an Onkyo 501 reciever. I have two older JBL front loudspeakers that I will be using as the front L/R. Since I already have the JBL fronts, I decided on going with the JBL Northridge series for the rest of the speakers. Have decided on EC-35 center and 250P 12" sub. I am basically left to decide between two different choices for rear channels, going with either the e10 or e20's. On JBL's website, both are said to be excellent choices for rear channels. The differences are the e10's have a 4" driver and the e20's have a 5" driver. Also, the e20's are really bookshelf speakers where the e10's are designed to be wall mounted and have angled baffles with ports on the sides, guess it's supposed to disperse sound more. I will not be wall mounting so this really doesnt matter to me. The only place I could demo these speakers was Best Buy and I couldn't really hear much of the rears. Does anyone have any input on these rears. I think I am leaning toward the E10s just cause they are a bit cheaper. Any reason why i would want the e20's over the e10's? Should I take anything else into consideration before I buy? Also, I am interested in a rear center as well. How are most of you guys using them, wall mounted?? Put a shelf on the wall?? Any ideas on a good rear center to compliment this set-up?

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Old 03-23-2004, 02:22 PM   #2 of 11
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The E10s are terrific rear speakers, and look good in the process. Sound & Vision recently gave them a very nice review in the context of an entire Northridge E rig.

From personal experience, the E10s are very nice, and look good with the cherry finish. Don't know how they stack up against the E20s as rears, but they are intended for that application.



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Old 03-23-2004, 02:41 PM   #3 of 11
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If you're not gonna hang them on the wall then I'd go with the E20's. The E10's are designed to be wall hung. They're much wider than they are deep and to me would not look right on a speaker stand. I'm currently using the E10's and have been very impressed. They are very nice surround sound speakers. Have you actually had a chance to listen to and look at each model? If not for sure look at them first.
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Old 03-23-2004, 02:50 PM   #4 of 11
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Thanks for the input guys. I will not be wall mounting the rears or using stands. I have two end tables on either side of the couch they will be sitting on. Anyone out there using E20's as rears??
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Old 03-24-2004, 11:36 AM   #5 of 11
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No one is using e20's as rears?? How about a rear center channel. I was thinking the JBL ec25 would be a good match but that thing is pretty big. What would be the best way to mount on the wall beind the couch? Do most of you guys use a shelf or are there any decent rear centers that will wall mount.
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Old 03-24-2004, 12:10 PM   #6 of 11
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Billy - the JBL E-Series is relatively new, so the response will probably be limited.

I can tell you that if HT is your priority, then I would recommend at the very least using IDENTICAL speakers @ the Fronts & Surround locations around you.

It's no mystery why IDENTICAL speakers all-around would enhanced the 100% seamless surround Blockbuster DVD Movie experience, ... it's based on Dolby Labs 5.1-Channel Production Guidelines:
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3.2.1 Front Speakers (pg. 24)
To promote good imaging, all three should be identical, just as conventional L and R stereo speakers must be matched. If all three cannot be the same model, the center speaker may be a smaller model from the same product line.

3.2.2 Surround Speakers (pg. 25)
Whenever possible, use the same speakers all around to achieve uniformity.

My HT setup consists of three pairs of JBL S26's w/timbre-matching S-Center. They are slightly larger & heavier than the JBL E20's.

Based on Sound & Vision's (April 2004 issue) Objective Benchmark ...

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IN THE LAB
Frequency Response (pg. 46)
E20 front left/right.......... 88 Hz to 20 kHz ±3.6 dB

... I would not hesitate recommending them to my family and friends. Because of JBL's EOS Waveguide (same design used in their TEC Award Winning JBL PRO LSR Studio Monitor's), ... they would work equally well @ the surround locations, reaching 20 kHz at those demanding angles within ±3.9 dB.

Anyway, ... I would recommend buying 2 pairs for DD/DTS-5.1 or three pairs for DD/DTS-6.1 w/the timbre-matched EC35.

If I used the E20's & EC35, I would place them in the same location(s) that I placed my JBL S26's.

So, I recommend reviewing the following information since I am fortunate enough that I can follow the suggestion(s) from Dolby Labs on-line document ... The Dolby Guide to Home Theater Sound in placing my original 5.1 HT speakers locations ...

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3.2 Preferred surround speaker placement
The surround speakers should be placed alongside and slightly to the rear of (but not behind) the prime seating position (Figure 8);

Figure 8: Place the surround speakers alongside and slightly to the rear of the seating area.

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... well above ear level, to help minimize localization effects (Figure 9);

Figure 9: Install the surrounds two to three feet above listeners.

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... aimed directly across the listening area, not down at the listeners (Figure 10).

Figure 10: Aim the surrounds straight across, not down at, the listening area.

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This arrangement creates a diffuse, enveloping surround soundfield throughout the listening area, like that in cinemas and in the dubbing theaters where soundtracks are mixed. If the speakers are too far forward, you won't get sufficient rearward effect, and if the speakers are too far back, there will be a loss of envelopment and integration of the surround information with the whole soundfield.

Since my HT/family room is 20' x 30', I located my side surrounds approx. 3' back from my 'sweet spot', sorta' following the Typical 5.1-Channel Room Layout Figure 3-1 (pg. 21) in Dolby Labs "5.1-Channel Production Guidelines" If it's good enough for the Mixing Engineer, it's good enough for me!!!

Anyway, When I upgraded to 6.1 (Yamaha RX-V1300) , I bought another pair of JBL S26 speakers (wired in-series) and located them per Dolby Labs Dolby Digital EX recommendation ...

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For Dolby Digital EX playback, as with regular 5.1 playback, place the left and right surround speakers to the sides of, or slightly behind, your listening position. For the third surround channel, place an additional surround speaker, or, preferably, an additional pair of surround speakers, directly behind the listening area, as shown in Figure 2.

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If you use a single rear surround speaker, center it behind the listening area at the same height as the side surround speakers, preferably above ear level. If you use two back surround speakers, which give a more diffuse and natural surround effect, they should be at least four feet apart (creating an included angle of about 90 degrees to the listener), also centered behind the listening area and at the same height as the side surround speakers.

Mine are approx. 5'- 1 1/2" apart (tweeter to tweeter), ... also see my 20' x 30' w/10' high vaulted ceiling HT/family room overhead view w/speaker dispersion patterns.

Hope this helps,
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Old 03-24-2004, 12:33 PM   #7 of 11
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Using the EC25 as a rear center would most likely be a little overkill since very little is gonna be happening in that channel in most movie tracks. I'd use the same speaker that you decide on for you surrounds be it the E20's or E10's. The E10's are only available in pairs I'm not sure on the E20's.
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Old 03-24-2004, 12:46 PM   #8 of 11
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Thanks for your responses, great information guys! I was kinda thinking the same thing about the ec25 in the rear, kinda expensive for just rear effects. I like the idea of running another set of e20's for the rear center. What's the difference between series and parrallel again (been a while since HS electronics class). How do you run them in series (run wire from reciever to one speaker, then from one speaker to the other)?
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Old 03-24-2004, 01:05 PM   #9 of 11
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Quote:
How do you run them in series (run wire from reciever to one speaker, then from one speaker to the other)?

You've got it!!!

1) Yamaha 6.1 Speaker + (P) > TO > Left RC/SPKR + (P)

2) Left RC/SPKR - (N) > TO > Right RC/SPKR + (P)

3) Right RC/SPKR - (N) > TO > Yamaha 6.1 Speaker - (N)

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