Laying bookshelf's on their side?

baja · 05-07-2003, 08:24 PM

I have a built in entertainment center in my house. The nitches for left and right fronts are 24"L x 12"H x 24"D. This leaves me with little option other than to lay the speaker on it's side. I am looking at Axiom M22ti's. Is this going to create any major issues or is there anything I need to do to the speaker? Also are there any such left and right speakers designed for horizontal use? Thanks in advance.

MarkWC · 05-07-2003, 08:42 PM

Be very careful with this, some speakers will be greatly effected and others may notice only minor changes.

Check out Ascend monitor 170's and if you have the cash check these out:

http://www.mksound.com/satellite_speakers.html

I was looking into demoing the S-100B. There are others here but the above is a sealed design which helps with enclosures.

I emailed Paradigm on placing their Studio 20's on the sides and they said it be shouldn't be a problem. Their speakers excel on wide dispersion, and are close enough, on both vertical and horizontal axis' (according to the book and "honest" salesman).

Also, the front baffles need to be flush with the front of the wall unit else you will have some serious reflections inside the enclosure. Does the enclosure also have a front door or is it open?

Good Luck

ross ish · 05-07-2003, 09:33 PM

Kef Q15. They can be placed vertical or horizontal because of their uniQ design

baja · 05-07-2003, 09:36 PM

Thanks Mark! I have been looking at M&K's site recently and will have to check out the others mentioned. The front of the nitch will be speaker cloth mounted around a frame that will cover the opening, so the speaker can sit about an inch from the edge. I know it is less than perfect design "audio" wise but this is what I have to work with. This is actually a new HT going into a brand new house with a built in entertainment center, so I am building it from the floor up. The only real piece of equip I know I am going with is my HDRPTV, Pioneer Elite Pro530. I have the rear pre-wired for 3 ceiling mounts (thinking of Speakercraft Aim series). For the receiver I have been looking into the Marantz SR8200. I am also looking into SVS for a sub. I am going over to Paradigm's site to check those speakers out know. Any help in selection will be more than appreciated.
Steve

KrisMe · 05-07-2003, 10:17 PM

You should be aware of the effect of boundary conditions as well as rear porting when placing a speaker inside an enclosure. See this thread or do a search on this forum for "bookshelf" and "boundary".

I have a very similar setup. Due to WAF I must place my speakers into an entertainment center. My rear ported Paradigm Atoms sounded much worse when enclosed.

I'm very happy with my NHT M6 speakers which use an unported sealed design and also have a crossover switch that compensates for boundary conditions. These or the M5 might fit in your space as they run just fine horizontally. Check www.pricescan.com for some low (probably too low) from shady sounding stores. These may be useful in pricematching to a local dealer or someone reliable like OneCall.

Many dealers will let you take home demos for auditions. This might be a good option to let your ears tell whether any of this might bother you.

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Brian Warren · 05-07-2003, 10:31 PM

sounds like with the speaker crafts in the rear you are not going for timbe matching. this may be a mistake you will regret or may not.
I had to put my preakers in a cabinet as well and at first was dissapointed. they are paradigm mini monitors. after a email to paradigm and working with foam egg crate,they are much better, not sure if its perfect but i have some more tweeking to do. paradigm rec keeping the grill cover on behing the cabinet cloth to maintain tonality and some other useful ideas. a front ported or no ported speaker may be better and buy from someone who will let you demo so you can see what works in your house. good luck.

baja · 05-07-2003, 10:37 PM

HHmmm...never thought about the rear porting issue..THANKS! Anyone know anything about the Klipsch RB-75's. They are front porting, I wonder how they work horizontally.

StevieP · 05-07-2003, 11:12 PM

baja,

Check out Definitive Technologys "CLR" Models at:

http://www.definitivetech.com/loudsp...dspeakers.html

rickey taylor · 05-07-2003, 11:29 PM

Did you look at the jbl s38s the are made to lay sideways.

baja · 05-07-2003, 11:31 PM

Stevie very interesting. I have never heard of them. We are neighbors, I am right across in Tampa. Is there somewhere local I can go to check these speakers out?

MatthewK · 05-07-2003, 11:43 PM

You may want to check out the new Ascend Center speaker (340c) as it is 7.5" x 21" x 10.5". I love my 340c... it is really an excellent speaker and MAY work in your circumstances.

I'd send them an email and ask them about usage in your circumstances.

Matthew

baja · 05-08-2003, 07:37 AM

THANKS guy

You are great

in all your suggestions. You sure are keeping me busy checking out all these different suggestions. What I need to do now is try to find some of these speakers to test out in person. I was also looking into the NHT M6's, which acording to there application description look like they were made for this tye of installation. Do any of you guy's have any good on-line resources for these brands to buy??