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04-13-2005, 05:52 PM
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Kong:
Except for the price that Geneon charges their distributors. I agree that they are not responsible for the whole shebang, but they do determine the initial charge to the first of the middlemen.
As for Princess Tutu, is ADV only changing it for the dub, or for the subs as well?
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Most Recent Purchases: The Call of Cthulhu, Count Dracula, The Gravedancers, The Legend of Hell House, Prom Night, Starship Troopers, 28 Weeks Later, Unrest
Currently Collecting: Inu Yasha, Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam
Total DVDs: 1436 Anime DVDs: 776 R2 DVDs: 41 R3 DVDs: 6
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04-13-2005, 06:04 PM
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JohnAD:
Their initial charge is the same as everyone else's to the retail stores. The question is whether or not they placed a MAP on the DVDs rather than a MSRP.
As for Princess Tutu, I read they are doing it for both the sub and the dub. ><* So yeah, even the subs will get the new redone name. ><*
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04-13-2005, 06:34 PM
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Actually, Geneon no longer has anything to do with Pioneer. In what I regard as a colossaly bad move, Pioneer sold their very well-regarded but generally low-performing software arm [arms, actually, arms with a global reach...  ] to the Japanese advertising giant Dentsu -- hence the name change.
LDC/LDCA/LDCE/whaddayawannacallit was sort of a "loss leader" for Pioneer in the old days, intended to encourage hardware sales by providing software which would really show off the capabilities of the LaserDisc format, including operas, music concerts, "Special Interests" titles with experimental films, interactive features, and so forth, and latterly anime in CAV which they realised would be a serious "Wow!" item. Along the way they picked up an industry-beating reputation for product quality [if with a few quirks] and customer service. Unfortunately, "Geneon" has squandered most of that. I guess Pioneer decided that DVD was well enoguh established that they didn't need the help anymore, but what happens when the next format comes along? Hollywood certainly isn't going to sell the HD 5-inch disc formats. They didn't like the idea of DVD much, and it's for sure they haven't used most of its capabilities; and HiVision will be much worse [see what happened with HiVision LD].
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04-13-2005, 06:52 PM
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Well, blu-ray will be coming out soon in the near future. The thing now is whether or not Japan will adopt this new format for their releases for anime (movies I am sure they will). For the domestic USA studios, this will become another renegotiate rights issues if the anime is to be released in the new blu-ray format.
Under the blu-ray, 8 episodes per disc wouldn't be so bad because of the huge capability of uncompressed video and audio to be stored on a huge gig of space. I wouldn't object to the USA using this method of giving out high quality anime at a good price point.
As it currently stands, compressing 8 episodes onto one dual-layered DVD forces each episode to be SVCD quality....which isn't bad but quality in both audio and video really diminishes and it is highly noticeable on the higher end systems.
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04-13-2005, 10:42 PM
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Alanna: You don't own Twelve Kingdoms yet? If you like fantasy, well....that's just cream of the crop best fantasy anime there is out there... 
John: I'll take my chances w/ Scrapped Princess, I've only ever seen the first disk (when I had downloaded it and now that I own it). So....I've invested now...too late!
Dave: 
May is going to be a killer month...too many series wrapping up, too much to collect, too much to buy. Too many TV on DVD too, between the both, I'm broke!!!
I do agree about Geneon, at least...they do tend to charge more, has anyone noticed BB racked their Geneon prices back up to $25/$30 while everything else stayed usually $15-$22? So much for me buying from them!
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04-14-2005, 07:24 AM
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>> has anyone noticed BB racked their Geneon prices back up to $25/$30 while everything else stayed usually $15-$22?
No kidding. In the blink of an eye Gungrave is back to $24.99. Ironically, Gungrave 1 is $14.99 on the website and $29.99 instore LOL! I need this title - hopefully the box set will be under $100.
>> Except for the price that Geneon charges their distributors.
Thats exactly what I've been trying to communicate. My guess is they are charging up to 20% - 25% more to their distributors - and we see it in the discounted price at Best Buy (or PriceGrabber). DVD's are so commoditized - I'm sure these discount retailers are all pricing on margin, not "supply and demand" on a per title basis within Anime. Otherwise there is no way Gungrave would have the same MSRP and the same discounted price as Last Exile.
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04-14-2005, 10:03 AM
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| As it currently stands, compressing 8 episodes onto one dual-layered DVD forces each episode to be SVCD quality... |
...which makes them less than watchable to me. Make no mistake, I have no beef against digital technology per se -- my main LD player uses a digital time base corrector, and if I could get D1 or D2 on a 12-inch disc that would be fine by me -- but the picture clarity and lack of fixed pattern noise on my LDs is far easier on my eyes. Of course, if you don't mind compressed NTSC, DVD is a much better deal in monetary terms than LD ever was when it was in production [a few $9.99 Central Park/Image releases excluded], and provides most of the same capabilities with a few new ones.
As I have said before, though, since I can get most of what I want on LD at a good price and am not too particular whether it is translated, I'll stick with what I have. I know I'm missing out on some good newer anime, but if I tried to keep up with everything I would never get anywhere.
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04-14-2005, 01:56 PM
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Just a comment on Gantz. Someone mentioned 26 episodes? I thought Season 1 was only 13. So does that mean theres a season 2?
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04-14-2005, 03:39 PM
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Christopher:
Unfortunately the LD market died out in 1998, so you can get almost any anime up to 1998...probably 1999 at best. But Japan phased out LD when they finally saw the potential of DVDs and what it has to offer and finally got the encoding right rather than treating it like a miniature LD (as early DVD stuff showcase how LD-like they were). All new anime are only on DVD or VHS...since DVD is prohibited from rentals in Japan...so VHS is still going strong because of the rental market.
Andrew:
Yes, it contains both series of Gantz....
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