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08-03-2004, 09:01 PM
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the dub actor for Alphonse looked like he wasn't even TRYING
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Unless they showed footage of him performing it, then how can he look like anything?  
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08-03-2004, 09:07 PM
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Dammit! I discovered that my copy of Dangaioh, a scifi robot anime of early 90's vintage has NO Japanese track at all. I was like, dammit... I got this to relieve my fansub experience with this show back in my college days, and what I got was something different.
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[Official Damning Voice]DAMN Manga Entertainment![/Official Damning Voice] That has got to be the shabbiest treatment any of the old U.S. Renditions titles has recieved. Not content with chopping it up, they have to bastardise away the original soundtrack?  I mean, the old subtitles were poorly done and wildly inconsistent in terms of spelling and usage, but to make it dub-only??
And Tony, don't laugh. Imagine if someone took your favourite American movie, or better yet your favourite metal album, and replaced all the vocals with some JPop chick, and made it so you couldn't get an unaltered copy. Talk about crappy!
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08-03-2004, 09:14 PM
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mean, the old subtitles were poorly done and wildly inconsistent in terms of spelling and usage, but to make it dub-only??
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I feel for you there. I may do mostly dubs these days, but I probably wouldn't buy an official release without the orig. Jap & subs on it too.
Kind of funny. Looks like time to get a fansubbed copy from somewhere and burn it onto a DVD. Sucks that you have to pirate something to get it right. Stupid things that some companies do.
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08-03-2004, 10:27 PM
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Not content with chopping it up
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What did they do to chop it up, other than making a dub?
I'm not laughing. I know, it really sucks for you. And by the way, I would never knowingly buy an anime DVD that is dubbed only.
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Imagine if someone took your favourite American movie, or better yet your favourite metal album, and replaced all the vocals with some JPop chick, and made it so you couldn't get an unaltered copy. Talk about crappy!
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You know what I would think if they replaced the vocals on Slayer's Reign In Blood album with some whiny J-Pop chick? Well, I think that there would be at least 5 million other people that would boycott American Recordings and their parent company, Universal, for changing the vocals on what is considered to be one of the best thrash metal albums of all-time. Hell, we'd probably have Tom Araya, Kerry King, Jeff Hanneman, Dave Lombardo, Rick Rubin, Andy Wallace, and of course the countless number of bands that have been influenced by the album on our side
Now that you mention it, it would be funny to hear a random J-Pop chick attempt to do the whole album. I bet that she would fail miserably at trying to sound evil, because she would be so used to sounding cute and trying to capture the hearts of people everywhere. I just don't think any J-Pop chick would yell out a line such as "Taste your blood as it trickles through the air". Oh wait a minute! They would probably end up adding all sorts of trademark J-Pop blips and bloops in addition to the cutesy vocals! Dammit, now I wanna hear what that would sound like!!! "American Recordings presents: The Watered-Down Otaku Version of Reign In Blood".
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I feel for you there. I may do mostly dubs these days, but I probably wouldn't buy an official release without the orig. Jap & subs on it too.
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I agree 100% with what Dave said.
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08-03-2004, 11:37 PM
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"Dangaioh" is a 3-episode OVA; the 1st and 2d episodes have the same opening and closing, and the 3d is totally different. The 2d episode has about 10 minutes of recapitulation which explains the main points of the 1st. As I understand it, the version Manga has been marketing lo these many years drops the all the OP and ED bits and the recap and runs the whole series into one feature-length programme. I realise some people wouldn't care, but I'm glad to have seen the original presentation.
Oh, and my sister has an album [picked up at South by Southwest music festival in Austin by our uncle, a professional musician and laser-show presenter] which is almost all Japanese metal and punk, and I am led to understand very good of its kind, except for a note-perfect rendition of "I Fall to Pieces" [Patsy Cline] by some Japanese girl. And I'm glad to know that even the most fanatical dubbers amongst us :p) acknowledge the RIP-OFF nature of a dub-only DVD. I would organise a boycott, if I ever bought anything from those feebs in the first place :b .
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08-04-2004, 12:22 AM
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And I'm glad to know that even the most fanatical dubbers amongst us acknowledge the RIP-OFF nature of a dub-only DVD
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Is it OK to say that sub-only DVDs are a rip-off?
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08-04-2004, 01:13 AM
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No, on the grounds that:
English language support of any kind [dub, sub, &c.] is something superadded to a complete film. The original Japanese dialogue is an integral part of the production. There is a qualitative difference between non-addition of an extra feature [e.g. a dub] and removal of some part of the programme [e.g. the original dialogue]. The difference is the same as between not adding a commentary track or "making-of" featurette and removing the original background music or some of the film footage [which I guess Manga have also done in this case]. Before the development of an American anime market, fans would procure the Japanese product and did not feel that they were being cheated; then when subtitles came along that was just gravy. Mind you, today's dub-dependent fan may feel let down by the lack of such, but [except for the rare illiterate] he is not wholly excluded from enjoying the programme.
That said, I would hope that a sub-only disc would be less costly to the buyer since it is less costly to produce and has less "in its favour" if you will.
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08-04-2004, 02:03 AM
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The difference is the same as between not adding a commentary track or "making-of" featurette and removing the original background music or some of the film footage
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I hate to agree here, but I think Christopher is right. There IS a difference between not doing a dub, and actually removing a language track.
I guess no dub is a sin of Inaction, and no Jap track is a sin of Revision. Omission is better than Revision.
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08-04-2004, 02:27 AM
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Yeah, I'm wrong about that I guess. But still, I prefer to have a dub.
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08-04-2004, 09:03 AM
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According to AnimeOnDVD, it's not just the lack of an audio track:
(ChrisDAC had it right, and now I am envious of his LD collection of oldies....*Sniffles*)
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Manga Entertainment basically got shoved Manga UK?s release of Dangaioh. Episode one was basically ripped to shreds in order to form a shortened prologue, and episodes two and three are spliced together to form a movie. Also, the director has taken a lot of liberties, especially during episode three, when the swearing builds up to whole new levels.
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Link here:
http://www.animeondvd.com/reviews2/d...views/1865.php
Grrrr...  
Look guys, I really didn't mean to derail the thread with a sub/dub debate, which will NEVER end as long as there are those who feel that one is better than the other (and must make a big deal about it). I'd rather that people watched what they want how they want.
Hmm enough ranting about Dangaioh, which I think I paid between $10 and $20 for.
Finished Steel Angel Kurumi and Steel Angel Kurumi Encore last nite at about 3 am. (Yes, I am now at work. No, I am sane, contrary to popular belief....) Fun series. Hope season two is good as well....
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