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Old 06-24-2003, 11:20 PM   #211 of 409
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Maybe I did not see deeply enough, but I thought that the ending was pretty clear and straightforward.

I just got a copy of the local newspaper with the film reviews. These days, I only see these alternative films when I am out of town on business. Anyway, the local critic wrote this, "...it comes to an unfortunately confusing end..."

So I guess, the reaction at my screening to The Man On The Train was not isolated.

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Old 06-25-2003, 08:45 AM   #212 of 409
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Well, I have to admit that the film's ending came out of nowhere - a 5-minute wild conclusion that somehow didn't fit its first 90+ minutes (in style and narrative) and what would have otherwise been a better film for me.

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Patrice Leconte directed Claude Klotz's mainly serviceable script, which falters only when it gets too fancy toward the end.

For the most part, I agree.

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Old 06-26-2003, 10:31 AM   #213 of 409
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I thought I must be misremembering the ending of The Man on the Train, because I don't recall being confused or disappointed. But I went back and reviewed it with my wife (who always remembers the details of endings better than I do), and I still don't understand the source of the confusion. The ending is thematically consistent with the rest of the film; in fact, you could say that it's the pay-off:

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The role reversal, regardless of whether it's a dream, a vision by the dying, a reincarnation, or just a fanciful creation of the filmmakers, is the essence of the film. I suppose you could have both of them survive and show them returning to their former lives, each having ventured briefly into another world, but I think that would have been a major letdown.


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Old 06-26-2003, 04:13 PM   #214 of 409
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Rosenbaum’s comment is not inconsistent with the ending not particularly difficult. I would agree that it did get a bit ‘fancy’, but I take that to be in cinematic terms, not in story-telling terms.

Other than that, Michael has pretty much covered the bases in his spoiler.



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Old 06-27-2003, 11:25 AM   #215 of 409
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I completely agree and 100% with Michael (and Lew) views & reactions on the Man On The Train's (A) ending and what it is all about.

In Atlanta (where we watched this beautiful and very engaging film), everyone applauded when it ended. One of my friends even commented that for sure a mediocre Hollywood remake will be coming very soon.
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The only minor ending loophole that we found is when Monsieur Manesquier gave Milan the housekeys. It is not necessary.
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Old 06-27-2003, 03:08 PM   #216 of 409
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THE MAN WITHOUT A PAST

My feelings for this film is along the same lines as The Man On The Train. It is very similar to another Academy Award nominated film, The Charming Man, in its familiarity with other films and not able to take any chances at all.

One has to wonder why films like these can get an Academy Award nomination but City Of God can't. I did like its deadpan humor, though.

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Old 06-27-2003, 04:18 PM   #217 of 409
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Well, I have to admit that the film's ending came out of nowhere - a 5-minute wild conclusion that somehow didn't fit its first 90+ minutes (in style and narrative) and what would have otherwise been a better film for me.


I guess this is a place where we see the film differently, Edwin. I felt that we were well prepared for the conclusion. From almost the very beginning, each man longs for certain things in the other man’s life (or lifestyle). For example the encounter with the two young men in the café, one philosophically observes that a few years before he would not have been treated that way and he goes on to say that it is only in the movies that one man can take on two and win. And then the retired schoolteacher tries to pick a fight with the two younger guys (just as though he were the bank robber as a young man).

For me, the film is filled with that type of preparation. But if it did not work for you, I can well understand why you (or anyone) would dislike the ending.

Or you can dislike the ending as a matter of technique, rather than of narration.

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One has to wonder why films like these can get an Academy Award nomination but City Of God can't.

We are in complete agreement here, though I don’t begrudge the nom to this film. Unless it was at the expense of COG, which I doubt.




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Old 06-27-2003, 05:19 PM   #218 of 409
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I don't know where you got your first quote there Lew, but my last post was for an entirely different film.

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Old 06-27-2003, 05:34 PM   #219 of 409
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:b A copy and paste error Edwin. I have no idea how I did that, but it was some leftover text from another thread. I edited my post above so that it makes a bit more sense, as I was trying to just comment on the build-up to the ending.

Sorry for the confusion.



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Old 06-27-2003, 06:22 PM   #220 of 409
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You know, there are times when I wonder if Edwin adds one extra sentence to his posts to try and get them marked "review" rather than "mini-review" in the index.

AAAAAaaaaaaaaanyway...

The Legend Of Suriyothai (142 Minutes) -

I'm curious to see the Thai cut of this movie, since it is (according to the IMDB) almost 45 minutes longer, and I wonder if some of the things that didn't quite satisfy me in the version I saw Wednesday would be better addressed. Of course, it's very possible the extra running time would make them worse.

For instance, Suriyothai is really not a major character in the film. It opens with a fairly familiar sequence of Princess Suriyothai as a teenager, chafing somewhat at society's rules, attracted to one man but promised to another, and it ends with Queen Suriyothai joining her husband in battle with the Burmese, but in between she's very much a supporting character, and not necessarily the most active one.

The missing footage could have boosted her time... or diluted it. It's a minor complaint, though, because a film's title is somewhat seperate from the film itself. Suriyothai may have been an ill-chosen title in that it leads to false expectations about the film itself, but that's ultimately something an audience can get over.

There is, however, a very definite stiltedness to the beginning of the movie. The movie spans a time period of about 15 years, and the writer/director seems to feel it is very necessary to show every major event in the Thai royal families during that time. To be fair, it is good background, and much of it pays off. It's somewhat tough slogging, though - the writing reminded me of the first 300 pages of a Tom Clancy novel, where he very precisely sets up the story's setting so that the other 600 can be all hell breaking loose. It's a lot to get through, though, and it's dry.

If the writing recalls Clancy set-up, the direction is Sunday-school recitation. The dialogue is oftentimes very formal, as is the delivery. It's not spoken, it's recited. I really started to worry, because this is a movie about Thai history, written and directed by a Thai prince, funded by the Queen. It began to feel like a very education, very well-produced, but deadly dull, vanity project.

And then the first person got it in the neck.

The film had needed a villain, and the King of Burma was too distant, but the High Consort of the First King fit the bill nicely. Mai Charoenpura doesn't overact, but she plays the Bad Girl to a tee. She starts out merely ambitious, and then sees a chance to put her house on the throne and is ruthless in achieving it. Suddenly, things start to happen.

And it's gloriously exciting. Those who insist that a gigantic battle scene realized with CGI can't compare to one that was a logistical nightmare, well, enjoy. A cast of thousand battles it out in three gigantic set-pieces, involving boats, guns, arrows, horses, swords, war elephants... It's great stuff, as energetic as the earlier segments were stolid.

When people talk about epics, they talk about the long running times and the huge sequences, often forgetting that the set-up can be laborious. Suriyothai fits the profile, but it does come out pretty cleanly on the positive side.


May -

Films like May are tricky - you can show what a mentally disturbed character's rationale is, and what influenced them, but that's not quite getting into their heads. That takes a little more, and May falls just short.

Don't lay it on Angela Bettis, though - as May Kennedy, she gives a fantastic performance as a girl who has been socially isolated from a very young age, and is just now really starting to interact with others socially, now that she's got contacts to counteract her lazy eye.

But there's parts missing from her story. We see, in a pair of flashbacks that open the movie, how her mother sheltered May as a child, but there's no reason given for her absense in the present. Writer/director Lucky McKee is meticulous in setting certain things up, but leaves others (like her lack of empathy to grusome injury) unexplained. And, during the film's last act, a whole different side to her personality emerges from nowhere, with a heretofore unseen level of self-confidence.

The other characters aren't ciphers, but they aren't interesting enough to share a scene with May, either. That's a problem, because when May snaps and starts doing horrible things, it's not really horrifying because you've got not perspective on the victims as people. You see them they way May does, and it blunts the film's effectiveness as a horror movie.



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