The Fugitive, Season Two Volume 1 - Reviews - Page 9

BobSchneider · 06-13-2008, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Obsolete Man

It seems like Greed is at the heart of all the music problems, and for once, it isn't the studios at fault. Most music rights holders, it seems, have taken an all or nothing approach, and want vast sums of money, or you can't play with their toys. That seems stupid to me, because that way, no one makes any money, yet if the rights holders were willing to play ball, fans would be happy, and everyone would have a litle more money than they started out with.

I just don't get it.

Now, a question... maybe I'm asking at the wrong place, but as someone who has never seen an episode of The Fugitive, if I were to buy season 1 and enjoy it, would S2, V1 Be worth buying, or would the music replacement ruin the show for me? Keep in mind, I don't have 40 years of memories of watching the show jammed in my head, so it's all new to me. Is the replacement music that jarring?

Yes excessive greed and avarice can lead to zero profit, Like william holden grandson son ask insane royalty amounts to release some fan favorite movies produced buy william holdens production company no dvd release = zero $. But if CBS was force to rescore the fugitive due to un realistic royalty demands then SAY SO, be honest and open instead of hoping a Stealth music score change wont noticed which was stupid because on major reason fans love the show was excellent drama enhancing music score for the fugitive, again it gets back to the incredibly stupid decisions corporations make daily , when a little honest would have went a long long way.

David Von Pein · 06-13-2008, 11:54 PM

And, of course, every bit of the jukebox music in Act 4 of the episode "World's End" has been completely changed as well. Every last note.

The alterations just never end.

Stephen Bowie · 06-14-2008, 12:07 AM

I respect the opinions of the people on this forum (especially you, Carabimero, since as far as I can tell you're the citizen journalist who broke this story). For anyone who's interested, I've addressed the suggestion that I took that quote out of context in a comment appended to my original post.

I wouldn't take it for granted that the "Route 66" botch was an error; I forget exactly what Infinity said in their response to it, but 15 hours of telecine in the wrong aspect ratio without anyone noticing is pretty hard to swallow. It seems much more likely it was a conscious decision on someone's part.

Professor Echo · 06-14-2008, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Bowie

I wouldn't take it for granted that the "Route 66" botch was an error; I forget exactly what Infinity said in their response to it, but 15 hours of telecine in the wrong aspect ratio without anyone noticing is pretty hard to swallow. It seems much more likely it was a conscious decision on someone's part.

I can't see how there can be ANY doubt to this allegation that it was a deliberate measure. It smacks of someone's having a misguided brainstorm in how to make the show more "relevant" and therefore marketable to today's supposedly clueless audiences, no doubt perpetrated by one as equally clueless with regards to what this series even was.

chas speed · 06-14-2008, 12:41 AM

Let's face it if they had a good excuse for changing the music we would have heard it by now. This has nothing to do with anybody writing rude emails. They weren't talking before the emails and they aren't talking now. The truth is they don't care about you or your business. Don't buy the set!

David Von Pein · 06-14-2008, 12:46 AM

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I said:

And, of course, every bit of the jukebox music in Act 4 of the episode "World's End" has been completely changed as well. Every last note. The alterations just never end.

And here are still more music edits (to raise the level of silliness regarding this pathetic "Fuge S2, V1" DVD release to near-Olympic heights):

In Act 3 of "Man In A Chariot", all of the music playing in the background in the restaurant/bar (where "Kimble" and "Gould" were having a beer) has been completely changed.

It would appear that CBS decided to arbitrarily change every last note of all the music within every episode, including every note of "jukebox"-type music heard throughout the various shows as well.

Makes me wonder if they even tried to acquire any music rights for any of the music in this set--period. What are the odds that NONE of it could be obtained? Pretty low, I would surmise.

They re-scored the Rugolo stuff...so they probably (at the same time) decided they could save a few more dollars in music fees by re-doing all of the jukebox-in-restaurants music too.

After all, since they had the monster-sized gonads to re-score the guts of each and every last show (while hiding behind the exact same tiny "Some Music Has Been Changed" disclaimer that adorns the first-season sets), CBS no doubt figured: Who's gonna notice a few more background snippets?

That's just a guess on my part. And I could be dead-wrong. But the replacement of still MORE music in this set is just one more reason to toss these DVDs straight into the trash dumpster where they certainly belong.

It's pathetic.

Carabimero · 06-14-2008, 01:06 AM

Mr. Bowie, thanks for mentioning that I may have broken the story. I appreciate that very much.

I found your update. I respect that you clarified your position.

Your article was thorough and I was impressed by your access to Armer.

Let me rephrase my Route 66 comment: tampering with a telecine, as I understand it, is a more robotic matter than expunging and rescoring half a season of a classic TV show, even in reverse. Plus, I'm not sure it follows that the actions of one studio will follow another.

DeWilson · 06-14-2008, 01:22 AM

But if the show ever gets a tv airring someplace again will we get THESE or the ORIGINAL Versions?

Carabimero · 06-14-2008, 01:27 AM

My guess is we would see the originals.

TheGreatOz · 06-14-2008, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by David Von Pein

And, of course, every bit of the jukebox music in Act 4 of the episode "World's End" has been completely changed as well. Every last note.

The alterations just never end.

Familiar/popular songs playing on jukeboxes (or radios) rarely survive a DVD release.

As I mentioned in my Post #155, popular songs like "I'll Remember April" needle-dropped in six Fugitive episodes or "I'll Never Smile Again" in five Fugitive episodes command the largest royalties (if publishing rights had been granted). It's no surprise they were 86'd.

We'll see if the song "Once Upon A Time" (made popular by Bobby Darin and Frank Sinatra) survives the transition from TV to DVD this September on Season 4 Episode 13 of BOSTON LEGAL. It's a pivotal element in a romantic plot and sung by Scot Bakula at the piano. I would not be surprised if David E. Kelley didn't take DVD song rights into consideration when he included it on the televised show, unfortunately.

Carabimero · 06-14-2008, 03:36 AM

Yeah, I actually got a region free player so I could buy the Ally McBeal DVD series set for my wife due to these very issues.

MattPeriolat · 06-14-2008, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by David Von Pein

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And here are still more music edits (to raise the level of silliness regarding this pathetic "Fuge S2, V1" DVD release to near-Olympic heights):

In Act 3 of "Man In A Chariot", all of the music playing in the background in the restaurant/bar (where "Kimble" and "Gould" were having a beer) has been completely changed.

It would appear that CBS decided to arbitrarily change every last note of all the music within every episode, including every note of "jukebox"-type music heard throughout the various shows as well.

Makes me wonder if they even tried to acquire any music rights for any of the music in this set--period. What are the odds that NONE of it could be obtained? Pretty low, I would surmise.

They re-scored the Rugolo stuff...so they probably (at the same time) decided they could save a few more dollars in music fees by re-doing all of the jukebox-in-restaurants music too.

After all, since they had the monster-sized gonads to re-score the guts of each and every last show (while hiding behind the exact same tiny "Some Music Has Been Changed" disclaimer that adorns the first-season sets), CBS no doubt figured: Who's gonna notice a few more background snippets?

That's just a guess on my part. And I could be dead-wrong. But the replacement of still MORE music in this set is just one more reason to toss these DVDs straight into the trash dumpster where they certainly belong.

It's pathetic.

OK THIS makes my eyebrows go up.

It would be one thing if they couldn't get the rights to a few songs and had to replace them.

It would be one thing if they couldn't track down who had the rights and had to replace the background score.

But this?

I may get in trouble, but if it barks like a dog, walks like a dog and smells like a dog, it's probably a dog.

I am going to make a radical proposition:

Paramount deliberately changed every note of music to ensure they would not have to pay royalties to ANYBODY.

Sure, costs a little to rescore, but saves buckets in not having to pay artists for their work.

If this supposition is true, no wonder Paramount isn't saying a word. They've basically gotten caught trying to do an end zone run around both the artists and the consumers. No wonder they're quieter than a clam.

Again, if true, this truly is a low in TV to DVD releases and they really should be embarassed.