The Fugitive, Season Two Volume 1 - Reviews - Page 5

Harry-N · 06-11-2008, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Hollywoodaholic

Here's the link and the line-up of music on the La-La-Land Records site. I can tell you I already ordered a copy. Three hours of TOL music. Reportedly re-mastered and it was just released yesterday.

LA LA LAND RECORDS, OUTER LIMITS

Once again, Fugitive fans, sorry for the interruption. But this was very positive news to TOL fans in the middle of this controversy.

Hollywoodaholic, I think you're about an hour late!

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/...ml#post3387395

Harry

TravisR · 06-11-2008, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Dearborn

Then what qualifies him to be reviewing the show if he has no familiarity with it? That's like taking all of the Simon and Garfunkel songs out of The Graduate and then having someone right a review of the movie who's never seen it and doesn't know they're missing.

I defintiely see your point but there's no one in the world that could be a reviewer then. No one knows enough about every series to always be able to know when there's edits or music replacement. You could a walking encyclopedia of The Fugitive but no nothing about Gilligan's Island or you could have written a book about The Twilight Zone but miss an edited scene in Alfred Hitchcock Presents.

EDIT: Thanks for the Paramount mailing address. I'm sending out a letter tomorrow morning.

Harry-N · 06-11-2008, 04:24 PM

Somthing tells me it's not going to be a good week to be an someone at Paramount...

Harry

Meek Rubel · 06-11-2008, 04:26 PM

Thanks, Hank!

John DeAngelis · 06-11-2008, 04:39 PM

If a company wants to replace the original music for some still-undisclosed reason, that's obviously their prerogative. Maybe someone who's never seen "The Fugitive" before will still enjoy it. But to withhold that information and add fake credits in order to try to deceive people is both pathetic and gutless. I'm grateful for sites like this for helping spread the truth to all of us who care passionately about things like this.

Ockeghem · 06-11-2008, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Hollywoodaholic

Here's the link and the line-up of music on the La-La-Land Records site. I can tell you I already ordered a copy. Three hours of TOL music. Reportedly re-mastered and it was just released yesterday.

LA LA LAND RECORDS, OUTER LIMITS

Once again, Fugitive fans, sorry for the interruption. But this was very positive news to TOL fans in the middle of this controversy.

P.S. I was so excited, I responded before seeing Harry-N's post with the link.

Hollywoodaholic,

Yes, thanks. Harry-N posted this just a few posts before yours. I too will be getting a copy--pronto!

Carabimero · 06-11-2008, 05:02 PM

Yeah, and poor Angelo--the decision to pull the music surely wasn't his. He's just the unlucky guy on the hotseat now. I'm going to acknowledge that to him in my letter. Hopefully he'll be more amenable to what I have to say.

Carabimero · 06-11-2008, 05:11 PM

I do pity the unsuspecting fellow.

David Von Pein · 06-11-2008, 05:22 PM

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Please stop with the Frontiere/Outer Limits references. Those music cuts were not used on The Fugitive until the fourth and final season. The first 3 seasons of underscore were from the cues Pete Rugolo composed as well as the CBS music library of cues from Bernard Hermann and Jerry Goldsmith. There was nothing used in the second season that was not used in the first.

Thanks, Hank. The "Outer Limits" thing was just speculation on my part (and on the part of a friend I was talking to online yesterday), so I was the one who mentioned it first. Didn't mean for the speculation to cause an additional war.

I think Hank is correct though, about there being nothing substantially different (or different at all) between the music cues in S1 and S2.

I know that in S4 there is quite a bit of "Outer Limits" music however....but I wasn't certain how much of that was used in S1 and S2.

I've sent a letter (via e-mail) to Paramount about this horrendous music issue. No response as yet. But it's only been half a day.

Carabimero · 06-11-2008, 05:29 PM

I've emailed too.

I'd also like to beseech (I rarely use that word) everyone to write a letter and actually mail it. As a former editor (who's made his share of mistakes--but admits to them), I can assure you that one physical letter is worth twenty emails.

Sam Favate · 06-11-2008, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Mavis

Is it "right" or "fair" that the studios cut out this music? From an aesthetic standpoint, absolutely not. But from a financial one? I don't know; I don't know the facts in this particular case. I like to bitch about studio stupidity myself (I hate the split-seasons, and I say so in my reviews), but I also know that many of these decisions are strictly money-related. I know it feels good to demand that these studios do what we say, but that's not reality. And it wasn't reality when The Fugitive was first broadcast. Everybody who worked on that show did so to make money. Yours and my experience of the show may be outside that realization, but money certainly was -- and is -- the only factor driving television production. It's a nasty fact, but true. They didn't make The Fugitive first for "art's sake." They made it to sell soap.

Paul, it's not okay to excuse art being compromised for the sake of commerce. It may happen everyday, but it's not okay. Nor is it okay from a financial standpoint: We're paying (and paying a premium, as pointed out in this thread) for these shows on DVD. CBS very much pulled the wool over our eyes on this one. They could have announced the music substitutions before the release came out. They chose not to, and in so doing, intentionally misled customers. This is also a bad business decision. One of the first rules of business is "know your auidence." CBS should know that hard-core fans of The Fugitive aren't going to accept this quietly, and that they're making their customers dissatisfied with their product.

Is it worth the money they saved in putting this together (I assume the new music composer had to paid, so how much could they really have saved) if they sell so many fewer copies because of interfering with the program? Fans generally do not approve of changes to original pieces of art, be they movies, TV shows or music. If you're extremely brave, I invite you to visit any of the threads about the changes George Lucas made to a few movies that were released back in the 70s and early 80s; then you'll see how dire the wrath of fans can be.

Gord Lacey · 06-11-2008, 05:57 PM

Wow, you guys have just REALLY, REALLY hurt your cause.

Angelo works on bonus material for DVD sets, and wanted to try to track down the missing pilot for The Invaders. Now you guys have taken it upon yourself to flame him publicly and privately for something that isn't part of his job, and certainly wasn't his decision. Angelo is now paying the price because he wanted to make The Invaders set a better product and wanted to reach out to the fans to make it happen.

Way to go guys, way to go.

Gord