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Old 08-06-2008, 10:46 PM   #871 of 1043
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My comment was based on the number of implausible five-star reviews posted by first time reviewers. To me that says something is going on to try and doctor the ratings. Sure, I can believe the positive reviews that make sense within the text of what they say, but I'm talking about nonsense reviews, by first time reviewers, who give it five stars. And they pop-up like clockwork everytime an upset fan posts a scalding 1-star review.
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Old 08-07-2008, 08:30 AM   #872 of 1043
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It has been so long since I had seen these episodes and I had already ordered from the Deep Discount sale before I knew of the "alterations" that I forced myself to watch. I have never endured such an ordeal. It took me thru this past weekend to finally finish the set. It has never taken me this long to view a prior set. Am now getting ready to return the abomination.

I will not own this mess nor any future altered versions.

But will Deep Discount take it back now that you've opened it? Figured they were like most retailers and would only offer an "exact exchange" for DVDs that have been opened.
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Old 08-08-2008, 07:55 PM   #873 of 1043
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Guess it is a visit to Movie Stop for store credit. Just cannot stand to have that trash at home. Wish I had not been so eager to cash in on the sale before learning of what Paramount had done.

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Old 08-09-2008, 01:30 AM   #874 of 1043
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Doug, please take your anger out with a handsigned mailed letter to Paramount.
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Old 08-09-2008, 11:00 AM   #875 of 1043
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Doug, please take your anger out with a handsigned mailed letter to Paramount.

I have already done so. Thanks for reminding any other fresh faces to this thread.

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Old 08-09-2008, 02:41 PM   #876 of 1043
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Has anyone gotten even a hint from CBS/Paramount that they are even aware of the size of the backlash on The Fugitive? Other than their weak press release some weeks ago, of course. Just curious.
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Old 08-09-2008, 04:34 PM   #877 of 1043
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My hint is that they believe fans are overreacting and will finish season two with rescored music. That's just my hunch.
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Old 08-10-2008, 09:48 PM   #878 of 1043
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My hint is that they believe fans are overreacting and will finish season two with rescored music. That's just my hunch.

If so, they will have very poor sales figures. Maybe if they lose enough money...; no, they will just cancel the remainder of the series. Probably the best news if they won't secure the rights to the correct music.

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Old 08-11-2008, 01:59 AM   #879 of 1043
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I bought all the NuVenture VHS shows and have been watching them on VHS. Sure they don't look as good as the DVDs, but it's nice to know my enjoyment of the show isn't diminished by the drop in picture quality--the episodes are complete and unaltered, and that's music to my ears.

I've been thinking about it and what resonates most strongly to me personally about the music is usually the sad strains of the epilogue as Kimble is forced to continue his lonely life. I can't imagine ending an episode without it.

I bought the Nu Ventures tapes too, and I urge every fan to do the same thing. They're available at good prices on eBay and Amazon sellers, etc. I think Nu Ventures did a good job of selecting a lot of the most memorable episodes, so you'll have a worthy collection. Not only is the music intact (absolutely essential for me), you get neat intros from Barry Morse as well (who would've thought VHS tapes would have better elements/extras than DVDs?).

On another note, I also absolutely hated the artwork that CBS/Paramount came up with....no proper "Fugitive" logo, no Gerard, etc. (giving us instead the ridiculous image of a dark-haired Kimble running from the wrecked train with a suitcase, etc.....Bah!)
I made my own covers incorporating the Nu Ventures VHS image that properly shows the logo, Gerard, and, I think, "feel" of the show.

Again, I urge everyone to boycott the latest CBS/Paramount DVDs. Thanks to VHS and syndication (and other sources), you can build a better mousetrap!
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Old 08-11-2008, 02:35 AM   #880 of 1043
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Yes, with the exception of two volumes, all the Nu Ventures VHS tapes contain excellent episodes. My only problem with the tapes is that they are old and occasionally have glitches, which can be maddening if you let them get to you. But having the original music more than makes up for it.
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Old 08-11-2008, 09:37 AM   #881 of 1043
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(who would've thought VHS tapes would have better elements/extras than DVDs?).

Well, though rare, this certainly isn't the first time:

Dark Shadows (1991): The DVD set is in the wrong aspect ratio (the original 4:3 image is cropped to widescreen), most of the "day for night" shots are rendered incorrectly (making it look like the vampire is moving about in the daylight) and zero extras. the MPI VHS tapes are in the original aspect ratio, the day-for-night shooting is presented as intended, episodes 2 and 3 are in their originally-intended hour-long editions (rather than the combined 'movie-version' that was on the broadcast, and the DVD) and also, the pilot movie on the VHS contains several scene extensions/new scenes incorporated back into the story. This bonus footage isn't even presented as "deleted scenes" on the DVD.

Dark Shadows (1960s): The DVD authoring house removed several 'bloopers', and edited other footage out where there were master tape glitches, to the anger of dedicated fans (and without the knowledge of MPI). The fans didn't want anything edited out: the in-show bloopers added to the 'charm' of the show, and the fans argued that they'd rather not have a dialogue scene trimmed just because there were some tape glitches (like dropouts, quad banding, etc) on the masters. Better to have the dialouge with somewhat less-than-perfect picture than not at all.

V and V: The Final Battle: The DVDs to both of these mini-series are presented in a matted (cropped) widescreen ratio. The VHS (and laser) releases are in the original full-frame TV aspect ratio.

Tales from the Crypt (seasons 1 and 2): for DVD, the opening credits sequences are edited out from every episode (at the series producers' request, them thinking the sequence as 'unnecessary'). Although not every season 1-2 show came out on VHS (as far as I remember), they at least weren't shorn of the original opening. There were apparently enough complaints that the opening was left intact beginning with the season 3 release.

Soap and Wonder Woman: A small handful of episodes from both shows came out in edited syndication versions on the DVDs, despite having previously being released uncut on the previous 'subscription' VHS releases from Columbia House/reTV. Likely, a case of the wrong masters being used and no-one catching the mistake.

Monty Python's Flying Circus: A&E made several mistakes with their DVD release of this show, with a handful of episodes containing edits (and censoring) to them, episodes which were previously issued uncut on VHS by Paramount.

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The Six Million Dollar Man: On the DVD set, all three of the original pilot movies are presented in their 2-part 'syndication' versions, which apart from dispensing with the original title sequences, also means the loss of actual story footage, due to making edits to fit in the "scenes from last week" and extra opening/closing for the 'part 2' for each. On the original PAL VHS releases, the first two pilot movies were released in their original TV movie format.

What's so distressing about many of the "edited episodes" goof ups is that nearly all of these problems could be avoided if the DVD companies would use 'fan/consultants' to help identify if they were given uncut masters for the episodes. For many shows (particularly one with the dedicated fan base that Python has), they could probably have secured the services of a knowledgeable fan/consultant who wouldn't even have expected to be paid.

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Old 08-11-2008, 10:25 AM   #882 of 1043
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Again, I urge everyone to boycott the latest CBS/Paramount DVDs. Thanks to VHS and syndication (and other sources), you can build a better mousetrap!

But don't forget to continue to support the excellently executed Season 1 DVDs. While I haven't touched the Season 2 Vol.1 DVDs, I've purchased two copies each of the Season 1 Volumes. These represent classic "TV on DVD" the way it always *should* be (Video remastered from the original, uncut, negatives; restored audio with minimal music replacement.)

I think that's why the Season 2 Volume 1 sets were so shockingly disappointing. Season 1 was done *right* - and garnered *huge* praise among the fans. And then, without warning, Season 2 is released with all of the background music replaced. I can't think of any other "Classic TV on DVD" release that started out so promising, only to turn so bad so quickly.



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