The Fugitive, Season Two Volume 1 - Reviews - Page 26

BillyFeldman · 07-04-2008, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Carabimero

I guess all we're left with is source credibility. And why not? An argument could be made for believing a CBS spokesperson over a reporter from Variety. Having said that, an argument could be made for believing a Variety reporter over, say, me for example, especially if I constantly repeated myself in posts, or incessantly tried to "one-up" other posters or felt compelled to continually clarify their posts, or if I came into a thread having never seen the show or the modifications made to it and presumed to discuss them with authority.

The great thing about a message board is that, over time, the sum of a person's posts eventually speaks for itself.

Thank you for saying it. I'm not responding to him. I received a very nice PM warning me about this guy - apparently this is his M.O.

However, just to reiterate, no composer of TV music EVER retained rights to the use of his music in that show. EVER. It's not a guess, it's not a supposition - work for hire is very simple - no rights except the writer's share of the royalties. I'm not the one guessing - I called ASCAP and spoke to an acquaintance there just to reiterate and make certain I wasn't losing my sanity to some guy who just comes on and posts the same thing over and over and over without any knowledge whatsoever. This poster didn't even know what Unart was - he thought it might be Rugolo's publishing company and he didn't know Capitol had a production music library of underscoring cues. He's never seen the show, but on and on he posts. But it obviously gives him pleasure to bleat out the same line. As you say, over time, the sum of a person's posts speaks for itself. Time is the great leveler.

Carabimero · 07-04-2008, 09:57 PM

The set has been getting a lot of five-star reviews on Amazon. I had a hard time believing at first that CBS/Paramount would care enough to try and inflate the rating with bogus reviews, and I still don't believe they're behind every one one of them (if any at all), but it's gone from barely over 1 star to now 2 full stars in only a matter of hours. Something's up.

John DeAngelis · 07-05-2008, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BillyFeldman

...As you say, over time, the sum of a person's posts speaks for itself. Time is the great leveler.

Bravo!

AndyMcKinney · 07-05-2008, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jdee28

The Carson estate has donated most, if not all, of the existing tapes to the Museum of TV & Radio, now the Paley Center for Media, in NY/LA. Anybody can go there and watch any of the episodes from 1973-1991. Apparently, they only saved shows hosted by Carson though; ones with guest hosts are lost to time.

Although the Carson estate might have donated shows with Johnny only, you are incorrect about the ones with guest hosts being "lost to time", if you are implying that they somehow went missing. The Carson archive retained everything from 1973 forward, including the segments with guest hosts. They were even among the shows that the archive offered up for sale to individuals (at $75-100 a pop).

In total agreement with everyone, though, that Carson's heirs have been totally lazy/clueless about exploiting Johnny's archive, but since there was very little exploitation of it even when Johnny was still with us, perhaps it was his wish to only put out what's already available (the "hand-selected" set of clips).

I think a rerun package of old Tonight Shows would be good for a retro network like Goodlife or RTN (or TV Land if they even cared at this point, which I doubt).

jdee28 · 07-05-2008, 08:25 PM

When they were offering dubbed VHS copies of individual shows at $100 a pop, I e-mailed the Carson archive asking about episodes guest hosted by Richard Dawson and McLean Stevenson from the 70s, and the response was that they did not have those shows.

JLKINSER · 07-06-2008, 01:25 AM

I know I may be kidding myself, but I am still hoping for the people at Paramount to see from the backlash that The Fugitive is a strong series and a positive money maker for them and they go back and redo the messed up Season Two Volume One.

Carabimero · 07-06-2008, 02:39 AM

I think their ego has them now and they're not gonna back down, fans be damned.

(How dearly I would love to eat those words.)

John DeAngelis · 07-06-2008, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Carabimero

I think their ego has them now and they're not gonna back down, fans be damned. (How dearly I would love to eat those words.)

I suspect you're right, but, like you, I'd be happy to be wrong.

Since no further comments seem to be forthcoming from the friendly folks at CBS/Paramount, I think the big test will be when (and if), they put out Part 2 of Season 2. Are they gonna be stubborn/crazy enough to continue with the replaced soundtrack?

Carabimero · 07-06-2008, 04:36 PM

John, in using the word "ego," I meant to suggest that yes, they will (with altered music). The transfers have already been done, as has the music.

We'll see.

John DeAngelis · 07-06-2008, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Carabimero

John, in using the word "ego," I meant to suggest that yes, they will (with altered music). The transfers have already been done, as has the music. We'll see.

Thanks, David. I thought you were just referring to Part 1 of Season 2.
I suppose there are some people who don't belong to forums like this or check out amazon.com and are blissfully unaware of what's going on, but CBS/Paramount is sure getting some bad feedback among DVD aficionados! To me, putting out an altered Season 2, Part 2 borders on masochism. But like you say, we'll see. It will certainly be interesting!

Carabimero · 07-06-2008, 08:44 PM

To expect logic after what they did is, perhaps, illogical. Especially since they themselves never said the five or six cues supposedly in question were themselves legally off limits. That's what makes it so maddening. They didn't have to change Rugolo. Period. And to use their own word, it is "questionable" as to whether they even had to change the alleged six cues.

And yet they changed EVERYTHING.

It's sheer nuts.

And it's driven me nuts to the point that I just bought the Nu Ventures videos and plan to transfer them to DVD. They are, at least, complete and unaltered and better quality than my broadcast copies. And Macrovision, if used, is not an encryption, so I won't be violating the DMCA by transferring them from VHS to DVD.

JLKINSER · 07-07-2008, 01:01 AM

Well, I know I am going out on a limb here but I am hoping, praying, that the silence that we are receiving from Paramount/CBS is because they are looking into the complaints and are planning on fixing the issue and offer us fans a replacement deal. I know on the Andy Griffith show they left out some laugh tracks by mistake. The fans complained and they fixed the DVD's and offered replacements by mail order. I know it is by far a different issue but like I said, I am hoping, praying......