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Old 06-10-2008, 04:03 PM   #31 of 971
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Re: The Fugitive, Season Two Volume 1 - Reviews


I offer a full apology, Carabimero. Like Harry-N said, with all the people on the internet who make stuff up for no reason and that what you were saying seemed so unbelievable, I really doubted the validity of your info.

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Is there a separate rights agreement for the background music on the show that has to be cleared, and perhaps the composer didn't like the treatment first time around? We definitely have a mystery here.
Yeah, it seems that way but how could this be the first time that there was an issue with the score? There's been literally thousands of movies and TV shows released, why is this one effected?
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Old 06-10-2008, 04:17 PM   #32 of 971
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I think it's safe to assume that at least the rest of season two will be defamed this way.

Guess I'll stick with the recordings I made off A&E in the 90s and subsequently transferred to DVD. They're pretty crappy by comparison, but at least they're the authentic show.

I even toyed with the idea last night of taking the audio off those A&E recordings and syncing them with reworked versions of these new transfers..but my wife pointed out how insane that would be, particularly since those A&E episodes were trmmed.

She told me to wait and some incredibly loyal fan would probably end up doing it...we can only hope.

Edit: Thanks for the apologies, guys. I should've come to this board a long time ago. But I'm here now and look forward to chatting with you about happier things down the road.

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Old 06-10-2008, 04:33 PM   #33 of 971
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This is sickening ... trashing the music is bad enough, but digitally altering the credits to cover their tracks somehow makes me want to vomit even more. I mean, they couldn't dummy up an extra title card with the new names and stick it on the end? Like nobody would catch 'em anyway? I may do some digging into this, or at least some comparisons, and report further on my blog.

(And the A&E broadcasts were time-compressed, so the audio wouldn't sync up anyway. Except for a handful of 16mm transfers, I doubt that there's a "gray-market" set in circulation that's not timesped.)


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Old 06-10-2008, 05:01 PM   #34 of 971
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This makes no sense whatsoever. It's UNDERSCORE. There are no licensing issues associated with that type of music. It was a work for hire and was contracted specifically for the show. This reeks of some moron who doesn't know any better thinking there could be a problem where none existed and deciding to take every bit of music out because they were afraid they had no paperwork and someone could sue them later. But that's not going to happen. I tell you, this is just getting crazier and crazier. Just when we thought that the Route 66 debacle was the most idiotic thing done, this comes along. It's like a game of Moron Can You Top This. Who can come up with the craziest way to destroy a classic show. I can't wait to hear the BS excuse they come up for this one.
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Old 06-10-2008, 05:24 PM   #35 of 971
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Okay... this definitely sounds horrendous. But I have to ask here.... I'm a complete newbie to THE FUGITIVE. I bought all of Season One blind, and I've enjoyed it. I was completely planning on buying Season Two as well (and beyond). But being that I have no knowledge at all of this series, will it be palatable to a new fan who doesn't know what he's missing?

Whatever the case, I can certainly feel for the diehard fans of this show. And what's more, I think Paramount is going to feel their wrath with this one. This sounds worse than all their other TV bastardizations combined...
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Old 06-10-2008, 05:24 PM   #36 of 971
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RE: MUSIC CHANGES WITHIN "THE FUGITIVE" S2, V1 DVD RELEASE


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I'm here....but somebody's going to need to help me pick my jaw up off of the floor. It's stuck there for good I think (and it hit the floor hard when I started reading this thread).

I haven't received my S.2 set yet (it should arrive tomorrow from Amazon). But this is simply....unbelievable. I can't think of a more apt word for it. To remove such an integral and mood-enhancing part of "The Fugitive" by ripping out its original music is akin to watching a talkie with the sound completely off.

I just cannot believe this was released like this -- ESPECIALLY from a studio (CBS/Paramount) that has been so very good at releasing (for the most part) uncut shows in pristine form.

We have the syndicated versions of many of these Season-Two episodes being available (in past years) in full, uncut form with the proper Pete Rugolo music and musical cues--such as the A&E broadcasts from the 1990s that I have on VHS, and every original musical cue is intact...plus the NuVentures VHS videos and the Republic VHS tapes, which have the original music intact (like this Republic Video cassette)--but when we get to the DVDs, we have to endure this music-replacement torture?? I cannot fathom it.

And so many great S.2 episodes are in this S2/V1 set -- "World's End", "Man In A Chariot", and "Nemesis", to name but three. I cannot stand the thought of the fabulous original music being replaced by some other music for these shows. As Harry has said earlier, I think it might just be too painful to watch (knowing what SHOULD be there, but isn't).

Hopefully enough fans of this exquisite series known as "THE FUGITIVE" will make a big enough stink so that Paramount will feel compelled to right this atrocious wrong. They did fix a problem with some "Andy Griffith" laugh tracks a while back, remember. So they aren't totally unreasonable when it comes to responding to public opinion and/or outcries (and I can only assume that Paramount didn't fix those TAGS tracks on their own, sans any outside prodding from some angry consumers).

But this type of wholesale, across-all-episodes music changes to one of the best and highest-rated TV series in history--"The Fugitive"--is just too much to take lying down, IMO.

I can't even figure out why Paramount would even bother releasing a set like this in totally-edited form in the first place, with every piece of music changed!

Wouldn't they assume that a large outcry and revolt from the many Fuge fans would be immediate and overwhelming?!

I'm not sure I can even stand to open the package when it comes tomorrow--or whenever it comes.

I've been a fan of this great David Janssen TV series for a long time, and have enjoyed each of the 30 first-season shows on DVD (the S.1 episodes are fabulous, with top-notch DVD quality from the same company that has ruined Season 2)....and I very rarely make any kind of a big deal out of a small edit here and there in DVD releases (e.g., the small "Mary Tyler Moore" musical edits that pop up in a couple of those DVD sets don't really bother me much at all)....

But when every episode has all of its music changed -- it's just too much. How could it not be "too much" for a fan of this superior television series?

Paramount must fix this.

Not fixing this appalling hack job that has been done to one of the finest shows ever to grace the tube would be like leaving a bunch of graffiti all over the Mona Lisa and not caring about it at all.

Paramount's next brilliant move -- Replace Angie Dickinson in the Season-Two [Vol. 2] episode "Brass Ring" with a digitally-inserted Irene Ryan. Nobody'll give a damn. Nobody will probably even notice the difference between Angie and Granny.

(I'm going to take an aspirin...or two. I can't believe I had to write the post I just now wrote.)

~headache icon goes here~



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Old 06-10-2008, 05:25 PM   #37 of 971
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Yeah, I mean how much idiotic can it get? The next step would be to re-shoot the whole show with a new set of actors, new directors, a new set of scripts, new score etc. That way they want have to pay any royalties!! I'm obviously joking but seriously this is madness.


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Old 06-10-2008, 05:46 PM   #38 of 971
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RE: "THE FUGITIVE" S2, V1 MUSIC CHANGES


And what's even more maddening is the fact that we're having to pay more money for the hacked-to-pieces S2, V1 DVD release! It's 3 full dollars more (MSRP) than S1, V2.

$$ comparison.

So we have to pay Paramount more to have music substituted.

Amazon's got S1, V2 on sale for just $18 now, btw. That is, indeed, a steal. But I feel like I just had $29 stolen from me (that's what I paid for S2, V1).

And it's good to see that the last 8 reviews (as of this writing) at Amazon for this Season-Two abomination are all 1-Star reviews from really pissed-off Fuge fans.

In addition, it seems amazing to me that Paul Mavis (who called himself a "Fugitive fanatic" in that very review) wouldn't have noticed a single piece of music being changed in the S2 DVD set.

And: Not a single mention of the music edits in the review at DVD Beaver either. (What a shame that all of those great-looking images shown in those screen-captures are destroyed by the music that accompanies them.)


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Paul Mavis has weighed in regarding the music changes, in this DVD Talk post HERE.

Paul said:

"I'm disappointed, too, but I'm not willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I'm going to enjoy the show."

That's fine, Paul. But I don't see how it's even possible for a self-proclaimed "Fugitive fanatic" like yourself to "enjoy" these episodes after the sweeping changes that CBS/Paramount has made to them (and I haven't even heard the changes as yet...but whatever the "new" music is that has been inserted into these shows, it cannot possibly be as good as the original soundtrack). And even if I ended up liking the new music, I'd still be against replacing the original music score.

Should I try to "enjoy" a Beatles concert on DVD or CD, even if the music on the disc has been replaced with a Monkees soundtrack? Seems to me to be a good analogy.

I think maybe I'm in Serling's Twilight Zone right now. Somebody wake me up!



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