The Fugitive, Season Two Volume 1 - Reviews - Page 19

TravisR · 06-23-2008, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Carabimero

Once again, here is your original statement: "They didn't make The Fugitive first for 'art's sake.' They made it to sell soap."

Explain to me how I am "reaching" and "creating my own reality" for calling out the cynical emphasis in this viewpoint.

Do you really think that the music was made solely as art?

I'm not saying that it's cheap or lacking in value or that it should be replaced or that any music will do but it's still a score for a TV show which automatically makes it a product. And being a product doesn't stop it from being art but it's not like Rugolo composed the music because he felt it in his soul- he had a job and he composed some great music at the same time.

Dave Scarpa · 06-23-2008, 11:18 AM

Does anyone have a link to a clip with the old music vs the new?

Bob Hug · 06-23-2008, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Scarpa

Does anyone have a link to a clip with the old music vs the new?

I think it was Harry-N who provided the original link to this site (if not, my apologies to the original poster) . . . .

The Fugitive Escape into Black

Dave Scarpa · 06-23-2008, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Hug

I think it was Harry-N who provided the original link to this site (if not, my apologies to the original poster) . . . .

The Fugitive Escape into Black

Yeah that does Suck does'nt it.

I can't fathom how a total rescore , even with cheezy synth music (and way too upbeat for this series) is cheaper than paying for the original score cues. I'm still happy to be able to see these but this situation stinks. At the very least there should be a full screen disclaimer at the beginning of the set alluding to the fact that this show has been altered from it's original version, much like they do for Full screen versions of movies. Sneaking the credit into the final credits, at thesame style of the original is not acceptable and very deceptive.

Gary OS · 06-23-2008, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Scarpa

Yeah that does Suck does'nt it.

I can't fathom how a total rescore , even with cheezy synth music (and way too upbeat for this series) is cheaper than paying for the original score cues. I'm still happy to be able to see these but this situation stinks. At the very least there should be a full screen disclaimer at the beginning of the set alluding to the fact that this show has been altered from it's original version, much like they do for Full screen versions of movies. Sneaking the credit into the final credits, at the same style of the original is not acceptable and very deceptive.

That's very well said, Dave. My beef with CBS/Paramount is two-fold in this fiasco.

First, they changed the music. That's just unacceptable with this show in particular. And it is hard to believe that going to all the trouble of hiring a band to rescore the entire thing was the easier and more sane route. And the bottom line is that someone, somewhere within the confines of CBS/Paramount really and truly should have known they couldn't get away with this type of change without infuriating the fans of the show. How they thought this was an ok idea is beyond me.

Second, and more distressing, is the apparent deception involved in not labeling the package more clearly and then trying to mask the changes in the closing credits. That's really sneaky and not what I've come to expect from CBS/Paramount. Having said that, let's be honest: If there's one complaint we could have thrown CBS/Paramount's way over the last several years it does involve substituted music. Whether it be "Happy Days", "Gomer Pyle", "The Odd Couple", or even the smaller changes found on the first season sets of "The Fugitive", it's obvious that CBS/Paramount does NOT go out of their way to secure music rights. Having said that, everything up to this point I had been able to stomach. I didn't like the changes, but I stomached them.

Changing the entire underscore like this is a first as far as I know. And it happened with a show where the music really is vital. There's just no mistake about that. And it's not acceptable. It's just not. I hope CBS/Paramount can restore some of the good will they've lost with me. I'm more than willing to forgive and forget, but they can't continue with these type of changes. It just can't happen. Quality is more important that quantity. While I'd love to see them go the extra mile and offered replacements for this 2nd season set, I realize that's probably pie in the sky thinking. All I ask is that they cease and desist with these type of changes to entire backscores. That must never again be considered a viable option.

Gary "still trying to wrap my mind around this sad debacle" O.

Dave Scarpa · 06-23-2008, 02:16 PM

I'm pretty forgiving when it comes to popular music in shows like Happy Days etc, I was a DJ and know the massive Headache it is to clear this music that no one foresaw in 50's and 60's , but entire scores of a show should be in the syndication rights for the series and Home video rights, problem is that The fugitive borrowed from a film library, still those cues can't be that expensive at this point.

Gary OS · 06-23-2008, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Scarpa

I'm pretty forgiving when it comes to popular music in shows like Happy Days etc, I was a DJ and know the massive Headache it is to clear this music that no one foresaw in 50's and 60's , but entire scores of a show should be in the syndication rights for the series and Home video rights, problem is that The fugitive borrowed from a film library, still those cues can't be that expensive at this point.

Yep, I'm with you all the way on those comments. I can forgive, but not be crazy about, pop music being removed from shows like "Happy Days" and "The Odd Couple." A few of the deletions from "Gomer" really are egregious simply because they are integral to the plot. But even in that case I've learned to live with the subs/deletes. But an entire underscore? No way. Yes, you are right that this probably has to do with the show changing hands, ownership wise. Still, how hard could it have been to secure the rights?

Gary "and like you say, the show did borrow many of it's cues from a library, so it's difficult for me to understand the problem here" O.

Dave Scarpa · 06-23-2008, 03:20 PM

Well it was barrowed from the MGM Library, the same ones Twilight Zone, Outer Limits used, If I remember correctly the Fugitive and Invaders were part of MGM, they were'nt initially from paramount, but Paramount bought the Entire QM library didnt they? So I'm sure it's that. Maybe MGM figured they would clean up when Paramount tried to bring these out, Instead Paramount decided to take this way out.

Tim Tucker · 06-23-2008, 03:35 PM

The cues came from the CBS Music Library. That's the most confusing thing about this whole debacle.

Carabimero · 06-23-2008, 03:42 PM

TravisR asked:

Do you really think that the music was made solely as art?

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Saying the music was made totally for art's sake would be as misguided as saying it was created totally to make a buck. But if I suggested I believed it was pure art in even one sentence I wrote (dspite 500 sentences I may have written to the contrary), you won't hear me trying to hide in "subtleties" or make petty comments about "parting shots" when someone points out the logical end to my implication.

I create first to please myself because it's the only way to please enough other folks to make a buck in the end. If I create first to "sell soap" I will fail nearly every time. That's the difference.

MarcoBiscotti · 06-23-2008, 03:46 PM

All I can say is that unless Paramount can find a way to amend this situation and deliver the proper soundtrack for this volume... or even come out with a more complete S2 release combining what would have been Vols. 1 & 2 and restoring the original soundtrack to these episodes... I will not buy another season set of this series again, regardless of the quality of future volumes.