If you don't like music replacement on new shows . . .

Hank Dearborn · 09-12-2007, 09:52 AM

Then why don't you record them yourself to DVD when they air? Time and again all of these shows which insist on using insipid and treacly pop songs get released with songs cut out and we have to read the endless bitching about it here. Record the shows yourself when they air and then you have it regardless of how it gets released. And if the bugs and crawls bother you that much, buy a big satellite dish and record the affiliate feeds which are clean. Otherwise, quit your bellyaching.

MatthewA · 09-12-2007, 10:09 AM

There's no reason not to record these shows to DVD-Rs anymore, but as for the second point...

Some people do not have room for giant satellite dishes, as they live in apartments or condos. Even if they live in houses with an adequate amount of land, those things are fugly.

And with more shows being broadcast in HD, is there a way to capture HD broadcast with those?

And what about the credits? They still squeeze the bejeezus out of the credits.

It's a non-issue for me becaue I do not like new shows, but there are legitimate reasons why someone may not be able to do it..

AndyMcKinney · 09-12-2007, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Hank Dearborn

Then why don't you record them yourself to DVD when they air? Time and again all of these shows which insist on using insipid and treacly pop songs get released with songs cut out and we have to read the endless bitching about it here. Record the shows yourself when they air and then you have it regardless of how it gets released.

I think most people's argument about new shows is that DVD rights should be worked out ahead of time, as this is a known issue.

As for recording it yourself, if someone has one of the "small" dishes, the picture is over-compressed (as I'm sure you know).

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And if the bugs and crawls bother you that much, buy a big satellite dish and record the affiliate feeds which are clean. Otherwise, quit your bellyaching.

I thought the networks started encrypting their affiliate feeds a long time ago. I know last time I tried to record affiliate programming off of my parents' C-band dish (around 1999), the feed was scrambled about half the time, and it wasn't standard videocipher scrambling, it was a proprietary scrambling, meaning the home dish owner couldn't even pay for access.

I think the big reason the networks started encrypting was that some fools at home would call those on-screen telephone numbers (meant for affiliates only) to request a re-feed of something they missed!

All that aside, you do know that it's getting harder and harder to find someone who will even install/sell big dish equipment these days, don't you? Add to that the cost of the equipment and the dwindling subscription choices. My parents finally got fed up and went to a little dish, and although I would have loved a big dish, the changing landscape of programming, cost, etc. led me down the road of the little dishes. It's all a matter of cost, convenience for multi-room setups, etc. Face it, C-band is pretty much dead as a home-consumer format. It's strictly for the TV stations/cable companies and hobbyists (and really doesn't need to be subject of discussion in this particular forum, anyway).

Charles Ellis · 09-12-2007, 11:20 AM

Hank- why must you be so mean to everyone on this board? You're insulting evryone who buys DVDs of TV shows, including yourself! Quit pontificating and stick to your DVD recorder while the rest of us who DO care about the issue of music replacement can discuss this in a mature manner.

Joe*A · 09-12-2007, 11:42 AM

What ever happened to the concept of providing the viewer with the content as intended by the creators of the show? That's what bugs me the most in all this. I've never heard of movies being edited for content after its shown in the theater except in terms of "extended versions" which gives viewer more than originally presented - NOT LESS. Imagine "The Commitments" with new music thrown in [well, I can't and won't].

I buy TV on DVD in the occasion that I never saw the show as it first aired and would love to get into it - e.g. Heroes. Well, imagine the flack if the person BUYING the show on DVD for +$50 did not get at least the same content as broadcasted FOR FREE. And that's where the line has to be drawn. Don't change the content for those watching the shows on DVD unless you feel you need to enhance it with deleted scenes, yadda yadda yadda.

Having said that, Hank, I think you may be out of line in all this.

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Glenn Overholt · 09-12-2007, 12:12 PM

Hank, it isn't like the Feds are going to going banging on doors with arrest warrants, but recording copyrighted shows for anything other than just time shifting is illegal.

If it wasn't, there would be threads here explaining the best way to do that, and there aren't.

Please lighten up.

Glenn

moogaboo · 09-12-2007, 12:16 PM

Well, if I could go back in time, I certainly would record all of my favorite shows. But since that's impossible, my only option is to complain!

PS, "Hank" is one of my favorite sitcoms of all time. I wish it had a snowball's chance in hell of coming to DVD! Apparently there was an episode where Dick sang something from the "Dick Kallman Drops In as 'Hank'" LP, which I'm sure would be cut due to music clearance issues.

Jeff Jacobson · 09-12-2007, 01:19 PM

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I've never heard of movies being edited for content after its shown in the theater except in terms of "extended versions" which gives viewer more than originally presented - NOT LESS.

There are a few. One example is

Grizzly Man.

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The DVD release of the film is missing an interview with Treadwell by David Letterman that was shown in the original theatrical release where Letterman jokes that Treadwell will eventually be eaten by a bear; however, the version televised on the Discovery Channel retains this scene.

Another example is Wayne's World.

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Wayne began to play "Stairway to Heaven" on the Stratocaster in the music store in the original theatrical release. However, the producers had not secured the rights to the song, mistakenly believing that using only the first few opening notes would be permissible. All subsequent versions of Wayne's World have not included the beginning of the song, instead used the ending riff of Queen's "We Will Rock You," which the producers were able to secure the rights to. Despite the change, Wayne still famously exclaims "No Stairway!...Denied!" in all versions.

Firebee · 09-12-2007, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Charles Ellis

Hank- why must you be so mean to everyone on this board? You're insulting evryone who buys DVDs of TV shows, including yourself! Quit pontificating and stick to your DVD recorder while the rest of us who DO care about the issue of music replacement can discuss this in a mature manner.

I couldn't agree more. Hank's thread start came across as very nasty. A shame.

TravisR · 09-12-2007, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Charles Ellis

Hank- why must you be so mean to everyone on this board?

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Originally Posted by Joe*A

Having said that, Hank, I think you may be out of line in all this.

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Originally Posted by Glenn Overholt

Please lighten up.

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Originally Posted by Firebee

Hank's thread start came across as very nasty. A shame.

All very true. This thread was started just to be antagonistic which is truly pathetic.

Ethan Riley · 09-12-2007, 03:09 PM

I think Hank was having a bad day. This topic has been pretty well clobbered in the past, and in multiple threads. My two cents is that it's not always possible to record every show that you end up wanting. Why? Because you just never know when a show is going to be good, or whether you're going to like it. I didn't get interested in Buffy the Vampire Slayer until it had been running for 4 years. There's other shows that I caught onto late. I couldn't have recorded every episode, because I perhaps wasn't even aware of them from Day One, or didn't know they'd interest me. What Hank's really suggesting is that we record every single new show that comes along and see what's what.

Furthermore, I don't care to make my own dvds. Self-recorded dvds don't last as long as studio-manufactured dvds, for one thing. For another thing, sometimes shows get cancelled prematurely and the released dvds will have episodes on them that never aired. And studio dvds don't have commercials or station interruptions either. There's a lot of good reasons to "wait for the dvd," these are just a few. I do have a dvd recorder, but I only use it to save things that will probably never make it to dvd, like specials, daytime soaps and reality shows.

And at last, as for the music replacement problem, I personally try not to make a big deal about it. I get it. It's expensive. But at the end of the day, I just want to see the shows. 9 times out of ten, the music they use on modern shows is equivalent to having the tv characters playing the radio in the background. It's pretty meaningless, really. There are shows like Ally McBeal and American Dreams which totally integrated the pop songs into the story, and those should retain all their original music, but those are extraordinary cases.