Where is Mary Tyler Moore Season 5? - Page 2

Joe Lugoff · 01-23-2007, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Phyll

And the episode where Mary sings one for my baby is so funny. Almost like she is trying out for American Idol. Lol.

That presents a problem, though. It's been discussed here how this show's previous sets had cuts and music substitutions because they were too cheap to pay music rights (for instance, "White Christmas" in Season One.) So it's possible the whole "One for My Baby" thing won't make it to the DVD. (Which would be outrageous, of course.)

Carlos Garcia · 01-23-2007, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Lugoff

That presents a problem, though. It's been discussed here how this show's previous sets had cuts and music substitutions because they were too cheap to pay music rights (for instance, "White Christmas" in Season One.) So it's possible the whole "One for My Baby" thing won't make it to the DVD. (Which would be outrageous, of course.)

That may be one of the reasons for the long delay for season 5 and the rest.

KatyD · 01-23-2007, 03:19 PM

it does seem like its been a long time, season 4 was released in june....

Ollie · 01-23-2007, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Phyll

I emailed Fox and they stated that there is no release date yet. That is all it said. Do you think it will be June or July before the 5th season is released?

I would say the fact that they have no scheduled release date does not bode well for it being anytime in the near future. When I've inquired with studios in the past about sets that were forthcoming, if they didn't have a firm release date, I've at least gotten a ball park such as "early spring" or "late fall", which sets forth the understanding that there are definitive upcoming plans to release the set.

No word on MTM-S5 is bad news for me because I was really looking forward to Season 5 having thoroughly enjoyed the previous 4 I've collected to date.

Hopefully FOX will get at least one of the remaining 3 seasons out before the end of the year.

Joseph DeMartino · 01-23-2007, 05:01 PM

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It's been discussed here how this show's previous sets had cuts and music substitutions because they were too cheap to pay music rights (for instance, "White Christmas" in Season One.)

So they were "too cheap" to pay for music rights. I guess there's no chance the rights holders were "too greedy" or asked "too much" those same rights. I assume you know the actual dollar amounts involved nad their impact on the profitability estimates for the DVDs since you're able to conclude that the studio was "too cheap"?

I'm pretty sure that "White Christmas" remains the single best-selling record of all times (over 50 million copies were sold of the Crosby 1947 Decca recording alone if I'm not mistaken), as well as one of the most-recorded songs of all time, so it is quite possible that the Berlin Estate or whoever controls the rights asked more than Fox could afford to spend.

I'm always surprised at the intimate knowledge of music costs and DVD negotiations that even the most casual DVD fan seems to have these days...

Regards,

Joe

Joe Lugoff · 01-23-2007, 07:35 PM

The Berlin songs are controlled by the Rodgers and Hammerstein Organization, I do believe. They don't ask for any outrageous fees. I read on this forum, and in other places, that Fox was just trying to save money on the MTM sets. It's not "intimate" knowledge, but I'm not quite the uneducated $%#@ you make me out to be.

Joseph DeMartino · 01-23-2007, 08:37 PM

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I read on this forum, and in other places, that Fox was just trying to save money on the MTM sets.

And as we all know, everything we read on this forum and the rest of the internet is always true.

I wasn't making you out to be ignorant, I was making a general comment on the tendency of fans in numerous threads here and elsewhere to reflexively assign blame for every music problem to the studios as if they were in the room during the negotiations.

Now I haven't made any special study of the MTM issues and it may well be that you know more about this than I do. But it is a dead certainty that you know less than the folks at Fox. You have heard some internet gossip, which may or may not be true. Neither one of us is in a position to know for sure.

Regards,

Joe

george kaplan · 01-23-2007, 10:54 PM

Well, regardless of reason, it's cut, and that's all that matters.

One can only hope that season 5 comes out uncut. If not, I for one will pass on it.

David Von Pein · 01-24-2007, 02:00 AM

MatthewA · 01-24-2007, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Lugoff

The Berlin songs are controlled by the Rodgers and Hammerstein Organization, I do believe. They don't ask for any outrageous fees. I read on this forum, and in other places, that Fox was just trying to save money on the MTM sets. It's not "intimate" knowledge, but I'm not quite the uneducated $%#@ you make me out to be.

White Christmas was present on a season 2 King of the Hill episode on DVD.

Though it's another studio, Anything You Can Do, I Can Do Better was on a season 1 episode of The Nanny on DVD.

Mike*SC · 01-24-2007, 09:53 AM

As always, without explicit knowledge of how the deals for the song were originally negotiated, it's apples to oranges.

Also, "King of the Hill" is a far, far better seller than "Mary Tyler Moore."

Joseph DeMartino · 01-24-2007, 11:43 AM

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Also, "King of the Hill" is a far, far better seller than "Mary Tyler Moore."

That's right. I had forgotten that sales for Mary were so low that the show was "on the bubble" and in danger of not getting past the first season at all. That would certainly affect how much Fox felt they could afford to invest in it up front, as well as given the rights holder an incentive to weight the deal in favor of the up front license fee rather than royalties on each unit sold. On a show like King of the Hill Fox's could afford to spend more against expected higher profits and the rights holder may have gone for a bigger percentage of higher sales and a more modest up front fee. As you say, every deal is unique.

Regards,

Joe