The Shift to DVD-18's

Dave Scarpa · 05-13-2004, 12:39 PM

For a long time I was a proponent of TV Product on this format. Having a pretty large library anything that shortened the amount of disks for long television series was welcomed. But a couple of things have happened since I formed that view. First I started putting my larger collections into Thinpaks and Multi Disk keep cases. There's new Slimpaks on the market that take up far less room and look and work great.

Second I started buying and using some of these DVD-18's Mostly from Universal with their Galctica set and then the Monster Legacy set, and Franccccccccchise collections, and I don't like them. Handling the disks are problamatic, they are more suceptible to scuffing and scratching. I had to get a replacement on One Galactica set due to skipping and pixilization. Also I've had play issue on the abbott and costello set, they play great on my player, but I loaned them to my parents and some of the sides refused to play on their players.

I just don't know if the manufacture of these disks are being kept to the same high level as DVD-9's or are they just prone to more defects.

More and more TV Product is coming in this format and I'm split to where this is a good or bad thing.

Deb Walsh · 05-13-2004, 01:10 PM

I personally don't like discs that have to be flipped over to continue watching episodes. I have a multidisc player that really just becomes pointless when the discs can't be played sequentially. And the tiny, tiny print telling you which side is which on some discs is really not very helpful for anyone who is visually challenged in any way.

That said, I have bought sets on the DVD-18s, but only because those programs were shows I really, really wanted. I'd be unlikely to do a casual or blind buy on them.

Mark Lx · 05-13-2004, 01:31 PM

I haven't problems with them yet. I know what you mean about the print though. Basically anything that works and keeps prices (and size) down, I'm all for.

Carlos Garcia · 05-13-2004, 01:40 PM

I love DVD-18s because I have 3 DVD Jukeboxes, so all my discs live inside my players and I never have to handle them, so they never get scratched. Now, having said that, I also HATE how many of these discs have been poorly packaged. The Best of Abbott and Costello sets are an example of poor packaging. So far I have bought 3 separate DVD sets of volume 2, and all 3 came scratched because they become loose and wobble inside the package. These companies should realize DVD-18s need special care because they are double-sided. They should put these discs in boxes with special binder rings that are stronger and won't let the discs get loose and all scratched up.

GarySchrock · 05-13-2004, 02:47 PM

DVD-18's are evil. It seems like it's hard enough these days to get single sided discs that haven't been scratched by having them slid over the hub when they're packed, but make it a dvd-18 and it's a rare set that I don't have to return looking for a pristine set. And god forbid if they're in those plastic trays that are hard to get discs out of, because if the disc doesn't want to come out, it's hard to get it out without putting fingerprints on it.

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GarySchrock · 05-13-2004, 02:49 PM

Oh, and I know I've seen people saying they're in favor of it if it keeps costs down, but how much does it really save to do a dvd-18 vs two dvd-9's? I'm honestly curious, because to me it seems like the costs would be pretty similar, and and most, aren't a whole lot more for the dvd-9's, and I'd rather pay a little more and get the dvd-9's. (Admittadly, packaging might cost more because the dvd-9's take up more space).

WillG · 05-13-2004, 05:01 PM

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Oh, and I know I've seen people saying they're in favor of it if it keeps costs down, but how much does it really save to do a dvd-18 vs two dvd-9's? I'm honestly curious,

Well let's try to break it down a bit. Take a set like E.R. Season one or two. That's 3 DVD-18 and a single sided disc. De-DVD-18ing the set would require the set to consist of 7 discs. If W.B. was going to initially press 500,000 sets they would have to use 3.5 Million discs as opposed to 2 Million. Let's just say it costs the factory 5 cents per disc. You would save $75,000 on that run. Compound that with shipping. With more discs, you have a bigger package of more weight, which means the less you can ship per truckload. Combine that with perhaps stores stocking more copies of the DVD-18 package because it takes up less shelf space. Take into account any other factors I have not mentioned and at the end of the day you could be talking about some significant savings using DVD-18.

I don't have a problem with it myself. The only problem I have had with the format so far was some kind of pressing error that printed "Side B" on both sides of the disc. But nothing that involved playability.

Andrew Bunk · 05-13-2004, 05:34 PM

I loathe DVD-18's. 3 of the last 4 defective discs I have had are either DVD-14's or 18's. I'd personally rather pay a few bucks more for separate disc.

David Von Pein · 05-13-2004, 05:46 PM

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The tiny, tiny print telling you which side is which on some discs is really not very helpful for anyone who is visually challenged in any way.

True.
It wouldn't be nearly so bad if the disc-makers would just use a bolder font on the "inner ring" to ID the content. And actually tell us what side is A or B, without having to hunt for the small ".A" or ".B" which is tacked onto the end of the detailed text on the "rings" of some discs.

Why can't they always say "Side A"/"Side B"? Never could figure that out?