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Old 01-11-2002, 03:27 AM   #1 of 60
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Was 'Full Metal Jacket' shot in 4:3?


i bought one for myself online and got one for Christmas and both are in 4:3. i cant seem to find a widescreen version...was it shot in the 1.33:1 aspect?
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Old 01-11-2002, 03:43 AM   #2 of 60
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It's in the correct aspect ratio. Full Metal Jacket, The Shining, and Eyes Wide Shut were matted to 1.85:1 when shown in theaters. There is not a widescreen version available.
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Old 01-11-2002, 03:52 AM   #3 of 60
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Kubrick liked the 4:3 ratio, and regarded theatrical matting to 1.85:1 as a necessary compromise. So relax, you're seeing the film as the great man intended

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Old 01-11-2002, 08:02 AM   #4 of 60
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I stated the same thing John did and got beaten up pretty bad on this forum for doing so. Seems a lot of people think that 1.85:1 is the way they should be on DVD. I disagree.



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Old 01-11-2002, 08:50 AM   #5 of 60
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RobR, If you have seen them in theaters in 1.85:1 you have seen them in WRONG OAR. They should be between 1.37:1-1.55:1, a soft matt. The dvd and ld versions are correct.
Even before the Swedish dvd of Eyes wide shut there is a text that said that Kubrick wanted the movie to be in 1.33:1.
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Old 01-11-2002, 11:13 AM   #6 of 60
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RobR, If you have seen them in theaters in 1.85:1 you have seen them in WRONG OAR. They should be between 1.37:1-1.55:1, a soft matt. The dvd and ld versions are correct.
Even before the Swedish dvd of Eyes wide shut there is a text that said that Kubrick wanted the movie to be in 1.33:1.

Huh? I believe Kubrick shot it in 1.33:1 with the knowledge that it would be matted to 1.85:1 theaterically in the United States and released on DVD in 1.33:1. Just because they were shown in 1.37:1-1.55:1 in theaters in Sweden (from what it sounds like in your post) doesn't mean Americans saw Full Metal Jacket, The Shining, and Eyes Wide Shut in the incorrect OAR.

Kubrick wanted the movie to be in 1.33:1 for release on DVD, but he didn't enforce that restriction for viewing in theaters, so I'm not sure if the term original aspect ratio applies here.
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Old 01-11-2002, 01:46 PM   #7 of 60
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In the matted theatrical presentation of The Shining you would not have seen the helicopter blades in the opening shots because they would have been cropped. The film was indeed shot with the intention of it being shown in a scope-like format, but apart from a couple oddities the filmed material looks equally good in standard.

Example of a soft matte (taken from How Film is Transferred to Video):



Here it seems that we really lose picture information with the letterbox version: There is clearly more information on the top and bottom of the screen in the open matted version. Unfortunately this extraneous information is also the problem of opening the mattes. The areas now opened for the viewer can't have important new information compared to the letterboxed release, because the director was only looking at the widescreen area shots when he was making the movie. There also may be some unwanted information present in the opened matte like in my example picture: a microphone at the top of the picture and a Coke-bottle at the bottom of the Enchanted Sea. These days, though, this is not such a problem anymore, because when making the video master, the picture may be zoomed into in critical scenes where unwanted things are shown.

For economical reasons, special effects are usually shot or calculated only for the widescreen part of the movie (typically around 2:1), so in scenes with special effects a full-screen version of an open matte movie is panned & scanned just like an anamorphic or hard-matted movie. This can clearly be seen in Terminator 2 or the Back to the Future movies.
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Old 01-11-2002, 01:46 PM   #8 of 60
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thanks guys...now to see if i can return the unopened one!
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Old 01-11-2002, 02:19 PM   #9 of 60
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Thomas, a lotta folks make their own mattes (to cover up the black bars which tend to shine a bit more distractingly gray than black). If you make yourself a set, you can be your own projectionist and 'soft-matte' it down to your favorite dimensions!

(I don't recommend this for the Kubrick films, and especially for Eyes Wide Shut, but I've heard some say they much prefer a matted Shining.)




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Old 01-11-2002, 02:25 PM   #10 of 60
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In the matted theatrical presentation of The Shining you would not have seen the helicopter blades in the opening shots because they would have been cropped.
This is simply not true. The helicopter shadow is matted out, but the whirring blades are still visible at the top of the frame during the establishing shots of the overlook when matted to 1.85:1.

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