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Old 04-16-2008, 09:41 PM   #1 of 6
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Birth of A Nation-now or later?


I want to buy Birth of A Nation. Should I get the 2-disc Kino disc now, or has anyone heard of a new version?
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Old 04-16-2008, 11:08 PM   #2 of 6
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Re: Birth of A Nation-now or later?


The Kino 2-disc is a must-have. I'd also recommend the rest of the Griffith Masterworks box, but the music scores for Intolerance and Broken Blossoms are atrocious.




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Old 04-16-2008, 11:45 PM   #3 of 6
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Re: Birth of A Nation-now or later?


Thanks, Patrick! Guess I'll hold off on Intolerance for now. But I'll definitely get Birth.
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Old 04-16-2008, 11:50 PM   #4 of 6
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Re: Birth of A Nation-now or later?


The Eureka region 2 has better contrast and a sharper picture than the Kino. I prefer the Eureka for the that reason. The Kino has accurate color tints which are too intense to my eye. They should have lightened up a little on the tints. Kino for supplements, Eureka for the film.




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Old 04-17-2008, 01:47 AM   #5 of 6
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Re: Birth of A Nation-now or later?


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The Eureka region 2 has better contrast and a sharper picture than the Kino. I prefer the Eureka for the that reason. The Kino has accurate color tints which are too intense to my eye. They should have lightened up a little on the tints. Kino for supplements, Eureka for the film.

I had both the Kino and the Eureka - and ditched the Eureka! The latter does look slightly sharper but my copy at least had no tints at all. As it's transferred from the same tinted master, this means that the heavily tinted (red) sequences on the Kino just look dark and muddy to me on the Eureka. The score is the same on both versions.

I was told by someone associated with the Eureka edition that the contrast and sharpness were artificially boosted but this could only be done by losing the tints.

I agree about the excessive tinting - I find this on almost all tinted silents (perhaps what works on a 35mm print is too much when reproduced electronically?) But I get around it by reducing the colour setting by about 50%.

Re. comments about the scores for Kino's INTOLERANCE and BROKEN BLOSSOMS, I rather liked the one for BB - and I say that as someone who normally hates synthesizers! But in both cases the orchestral scores by Carl Davis for the Photoplay editions are the best I've heard - unfortunately not available on DVD.

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The score for Birth of a Nation on the Kino disc isn't very good either. I enjoyed everything more with it muted.
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