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11-27-2001, 12:54 PM
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Donner Superman 2 SE (merged thread)
As of now it looks like people's passion for Superman 2 SE from Richard Donner is paying off! The digital bits have posted in the rumor section that the WB are considering it for late 2002 DVD Release, only a rumor but "BOY WHAT A RUMOR!!!!"
Looks like everyone here who posts about the movie should pat themselves on the back? Being positive is a good thing. I while ago i put some ideas down for extras on the DVD on the "Studio and Manufacturer feedback forum" If the WB is listening want do you want on the DVD!
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11-27-2001, 01:15 PM
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Carl Fink
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Could you provide a link? I just checked the Digital Bits and could find no such information.
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11-27-2001, 01:38 PM
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Don't get your hopes up (legal problems will probably kill ANY chance of a full "Donner's Superman II" from being completed). The Bits' Rumor page says only the following (and it's a posting from 10/19, anyway):
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For late 2002 and beyond, the following titles are under consideration: A Night in Casablanca, The Loved One, Brewster McCloud, Soylent Green, Twilight Zone: The Movie, Best Friends and special editions of Forbidden Planet, Blazing Saddles, Logan's Run, Superman II and Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves.
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11-27-2001, 01:51 PM
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A special edition of Superman II does not necessarily equate to a Donner re-cut. I'm not sure a true workable Donner re-cut would even be possible given that there were necessary parts of the film that were never shot by him and the Lester footage would not necessarily match his intent for all of that.
It would be nice if they included deleted scenes and used branching to give us an approximation of what it would have been like, though. They could use title cards to fill in the gaps where no footage exists.
Regards,
Ken McAlinden
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11-27-2001, 01:54 PM
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[size=]If Donner footage is included, either in the film or as deleted scenes, I would pick this up in an instant and sell my old one on Ebay.[/size]
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11-27-2001, 02:19 PM
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This was brought up in the HTF chat with Warner which is archived here:
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QUESTION: Is there any interest in releasing Superman II in the form of a
Richard Donner re-cut, or at the very least, a Special Edition where Donner's
cut scenes can be shown in a deleted scenes section? Donner has expressed
interest in re-cutting the film in various interviews, most recently in a July
issue of EW where he stated he would like to be able to show people what
they could have gotten. If it is not possible to get Donner's participation,
would Warner Brothers be interested in doing it without his participation?
Many great scenes directed by Richard Donner are collecting dust in a vault
somewhere, scenes that would make Superman II a much superior film. A
Richard Donner Superman II is the Holy Grail for fans of the Superman films.
Has anything been discussed at all regarding Superman II?
Warner: This has been discussed. It would be very costly and time-consuming.
We would prefer not to do anything without Richard Donner's participation, and
perhaps even Richard Lester's partcipation. So it isn't easily answered just now,
but we understand the interest
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I doubt this will ever come to fruition, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Even if all of the Donner footage is incorporated back into the film, at least I would still have the theatrical presentation on the current DVD.
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11-27-2001, 02:26 PM
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Don't rule out re-cuts? they usually can't beat the original but the Star Trek: TPM is fantastic on my Dolby pro logic set up sound and picture!
If the WB are making a Special edition is anyone here going to say no? 5.1 widescreen with re-mastered picture on DVD with the deleted scenes from Donner version either put back seamlessly or in a deleted scenes section, is what we can hope for the most!
By the way hang on to your Lester version? it will still go up in value if you keep it when or if a new Superman 2 movie comes out!
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11-27-2001, 02:38 PM
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If the WB are making a Special edition is anyone here going to say no?
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You weren't here for the howls of protest that greeted the recut, remixed Superman I.
If the second film is reedited or remixed in any way, you can assume that at least some of the fans will be lining up to protest the desecration.
M.
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11-27-2001, 03:05 PM
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The extended cut of Superman 1 isn't that bad!!!
Why do some people complain so much about it?
What happened with part 2 is just horrible,that i would LOVE to see Donners footage,either in a deleted scenes section or seamlessly branched(so both cuts are included) & see how the film is with his footage. Sure both director's scenes may be easy to tell apart & might make the movie somewhat disjointed. But at least we would be able to get a glimpse of what the original cut was supposed to be like.
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11-27-2001, 03:17 PM
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The extended cut of Superman 1 isn't that bad!!! Why do some people complain so much about it?
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It's a matter of taste. Some people simply prefer the original version. Others just don't like the idea of fiddling with movies years after the fact. I, personally, fall into the second category.
As for Superman II, I'm all for seeing a Donner re-cut. Since the original version is already available on DVD, everybody wins. This is the main problem that most had with Superman. The modified version was released on DVD, but not the originaol.
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11-27-2001, 03:30 PM
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You weren't here for the howls of protest that greeted the recut, remixed Superman I.
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That was because there was no option to view the original cut with the original soundtrack. They could easily have done this through seamless branching. Also, the remixed audio could have been the 5.1 DD track, and the original sound track could have been a 2.0 surround track. We already have the original Superman II on shelves now. Besides, Superman I was developed under completely different cirumstances. If they tried to have Donner recut Superman III, I'd be the first one protesting (I doubt Donner could save that piece of shit anyway, but that IS Lester's film). It's Donner's extensive involvement that spurred this whole thing.[/size]
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11-27-2001, 04:09 PM
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They could pull a Star Trek and use CG to recreate how Donner imagined the scenes. Most of what wasn't shot was action, not dialogue
Jeff Kleist
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11-27-2001, 07:00 PM
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I'm pretty happy with the recut of Superman for the most part. I especially like the scenes of Superman making his way to Luthor's lair, that was classsic superman stuff, can't believe it was cut in the first place, it looks brilliant. I guess I wasn't worried about not having the original because I have the laserdisc. Still, might have been nice to have the original in a seemless branching mode. What bugs me is that I thought I was going to be able to switch to the music only track and avoide that crappy "read my mind sequence" but alas, the voice over appears on the music only track as well. Oh well, was a good idea while it lasted.
I'd like to see a SE of Superman II done in the same fashion as the abyss dvd, with seemless branching and tons of extras.
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