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Old 10-29-2004, 07:23 AM   #271 of 2287
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Pueblo film have an interest in Superman 2 too. Who knows what other hurdles need to be cleared...



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Old 09-15-2005, 09:07 PM   #272 of 2287
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This is very interesting:

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Old 09-15-2005, 10:28 PM   #273 of 2287
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Uh huh... and we're getting a director's cut of Batman Forever right? Oh wait...



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Old 09-15-2005, 11:59 PM   #274 of 2287
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I've got my fingers crossed for a much deserved SE treatment of Superman II.
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Old 09-16-2005, 03:06 AM   #275 of 2287
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Well, I guess the only good news is that the decision making process (now in it's fourth year?) is finally winding down. We'll probably know within the next six months if this is ever going to happen. I think that they would be foolish to just include the alternate scenes as deleted supplements, because out of context the impact would be diminished. If they have the money and the means, any excuse not to would be a poor one.

I just saw the so-called "restoration" of Superman II that's been floating around, and it only strengthened my belief that Donner's cut is not only possible, but a *very* different film.

Scene after scene by Lester is either competely unnecessary, was reshot or corrupted by mindless inserts of comedy (check out the hick during Zod's arrival on Earth). You have a film made of tension, violence, emotional vulnerability and personal responsibility that has been reduced to a cartoon sidetracked by the stereotyped Americans who supposedly inhabit Superman's world. This version not only restored some of Donner's more interesting moments, but far more embarrassing elements from Lester that were wisely left out of the theatrical print.

The most surprising revelation I found was that the Salkinds not only tore Brando out of the film, but reduced Hackman's presence as much as possible. They cut a lot of his best lines, some closeups and his goodbye. This was obviously some pathetic attempt to punish him for refusing to do reshoots. So it stands that we would have, if this true restoration goes through, a film showcasing extraordinary unseen performances from all 3 of its leads.

Lastly, some very subtle issues would be solved that already became much more apparent in this version. Once Luthor's scenes are completely restored, you have a structure far closer to that of the first film. The parallel narrative of following both Superman and Lex Luthor is far better represented here. Also, several tiny bits of both visual and expositional information from the first film (Lois & Superman's interview/flying sequence, Clark's discovery of the Fortress of Solitude, etc.) is brought full circle.

Most of this unfolds during a nearly uninterrupted Donner period, from the point of Superman tricking Luthor & Zod to a heartbreaking goodbye when he takes Lois back to her apartment after destroying the Fortress. When you see this entire sequence for the first time, you can't help but be upset that such a wonderful series of scenes were dropped by the producers and Lester. The quality and tone of these moments are the last you'll need to be convinced that the restoration of the remaining Donner footage is going to be everything you hoped for.
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Old 09-16-2005, 05:53 AM   #276 of 2287
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I remember seeing the longer version on TV in the 80's after seeing the shorter version at the cinema. I prefer this longer version as it did explore more hackman/reeve 'chemistry' and a better storyline. I loved lex's speech about being his manager and how his comission drops from 50/50 to 90/10 to 100/0...

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Old 09-16-2005, 07:32 AM   #277 of 2287
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I think that they would be foolish to just include the alternate scenes as deleted supplements, because out of context the impact would be diminished. If they have the money and the means, any excuse not to would be a poor one.

Donner has to agree to it, and far as I know, he's not touching it. He might be persuaded...we shall see.



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Old 09-16-2005, 07:59 AM   #278 of 2287
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At this point, Ill take the Donner footage as supplimental material.

ITs better than nothing - I just want to see it.



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Old 09-16-2005, 09:44 AM   #279 of 2287
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Donner has to agree to it, and far as I know, he's not touching it. He might be persuaded...we shall see.


I dont think I have heard any definitave answer from Donner about his stance on working on a SE of Superman II "Donner Cut" or otherwise. Some have reported that he has expressed interest in working on a SE in some capacity, if I recall correctly. Hopefully any SE of Superman II will live up to the highest potential that is possible.
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