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| I don't get this. Why would they do a rebate when there is nothing wrong with the current set? Just because you aren't happy with the video quality does not make it defective. You're probably going to be unhappy because I don't think you'll get a rebate offer. |
The article implies that Paramount and American Zoetrope knowingly did a halfass job with the transfer, and now they are cleaning up their mistake.
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11-09-2003, 11:27 PM
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The article implies that Paramount and American Zoetrope knowingly did a halfass job with the transfer, and now they are cleaning up their mistake.
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In that case, Columbia tri star would have to offer a rebate for every title that they've re-released on superbit. It ain't going to happen. |
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11-09-2003, 11:40 PM
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| in that case, Columbia tri star would have to offer a rebate for every title that they've re-released on superbit. It ain't going to happen |
I think that Sony would argue that they try to create the best combination of video and extra features with the first release. According to the article, Paramount gave American Zoetrope bad prints to use for the DVD transfers and while American Zoetrope recognized this, they still went ahead and used them.
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11-10-2003, 12:06 AM
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I don't get this. Why would they do a rebate when there is nothing wrong with the current set? Just because you aren't happy with the video quality does not make it defective. You're probably going to be unhappy because I don't think you'll get a rebate offer.
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I certainly don't expect there to be any rebate. I do think it would be a wonderful gesture by the studio though. They charged an above average price for a below average product, IMO. I bought it simply because I had no other way to view these films. A rebate of some kind would be a nice way to say thanks to the current owners of the set. At any rate, you are probably right that its not going to happen |
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11-10-2003, 12:41 AM
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I suppose that the cuurent DVDs were as good as it got at the time they were created. Technology progresses.
If these new ones are "astonishingly" better, then I'll bite. The original transfers were a bit of a disappointment, IMO.
But hey, it sure was/is great to see them at home in widescreen without commercials and cuts.
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11-10-2003, 07:18 AM
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The most interesting thing about the article for me is that John Lowry concedes that he went too far with grain removal on Citizen Kane.
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Mr. Lowry said as much (explaining that it was an early project and he'd like to redo it, given 2K and software advances) in his chat here at the HTF last year:
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/files/lowry.txt
I seem to be the only one around these parts who sees grain in Kane (the reading room portion of the Thatcher Library sequence, for instance) -- as with many LDI transfers, Casablanca among them, grain is least evident/most absent in brightly lit and completely dark sequences, and most evident in sequences where shades of gray predominate. It's clear that different given portions of LDI transfers have differing grain structures (from none in evidence to moderately evident), but how accurate this variance is to surviving elements I can't say (Lowry also explains in that chat that his company reduces grain with the goal of reproducing the levels of an original element, rather than eliminating it -- when no such element survives, such things are of course open to interpritation and mistake, and it doesn't surprise me at all that LDI concedes advances in this area, along with others; the input of the studio that hires them, whom they must first please, will likely be the foremost guide to such efforts, I'd expect).
At any rate -- that's another thread, but I thought I'd point out the chat to those further interested in the topic.  I don't yet own the Godfathers, so I'm happy to hear they'll be revisited.
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11-10-2003, 09:07 AM
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Mr. Lowry has worked on such brilliant DVD's as "North by Northwest," "Sunset Boulevard" and the new double-disc "Casablanca" — all of which were made from prints or negatives in dreadful condition
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I'm not sure that this statement is as true for Casablanca as it is for the other two films. I was under the impression that they had decent quality elements available for Casablanca.
Keep in mind that the Paramount that mishandled the Godfather elements bears only nominal resemblance to the Paramount of today. In any case, if they want me to double dip on the first two Godfathers, they could include the original mono sound mix as well as the 5.1 remix.
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11-10-2003, 09:50 AM
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The most interesting thing about the article for me is that John Lowry concedes that he went too far with grain removal on Citizen Kane.
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Maybe he meant to say "went too far with rain removal on Citizen Kane."
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11-10-2003, 10:47 AM
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According to DVD Angle the Godfather disc is being released is the exact same disc as in the box set. Is the above article talking about a different release? |
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11-10-2003, 11:18 AM
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I got my Godfather set before release date and I think I've only watched it through twice!
I wanted to keep the films special and fresh in my mind but now it just seems like I haven't got my monies worth, cause I KNOW I'll get this new set 
Recently I've upgraded Carlito's Way, Casablanca and soon to upgrade Alien and Aliens long after I said I was gonna stop double-dipping.
All they need to do is put these films on disc at as high a bit-rate as possible, include the old commentaries and the mono tracks and they'll be great. If they leave off all extras I don't mind keeping my old set for the bonus disc. May be cool if a new set is released with the saga edit but I've never seen it so can't say I'll prefer it.
On the transers, I love them cause they remind me I'm watching a film! I always thought the transfers were great, can't believe so many people don't like. You sure are spoiled  |
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11-10-2003, 11:30 AM
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I have the Godfather Collection, and I see nothing wrong with the transfers. I have watched the films at least three times each since I purchased them and love the extras as well. I can't see buying these again unless they are really special. They would have to have more extras than the boxed set, because the transfers would not be enough to warrant a double dip.
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