Two Towers Possible Release Date - Page 3

oscar_merkx · 04-15-2003, 08:46 PM

that is a lot of extra footage added to the Extended Edition

James Reader · 04-16-2003, 06:21 AM

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that is a lot of extra footage added to the Extended Edition

Well Oscar, I don't automatically see that as being a thumbs-up.

I've not made a decision on which version of Fellowship of the Ring I prefer. Again, to make it complicated I like bits from the original theatrical release and bits from the extended edition. I suppose my ideal Fellowship of the Rings is a combination of both.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking more is better. Like it or not, most deleted scenes are deleted for a reason. I'm sure you wouldn't want to see an episode of EastEnders extended, just to show Pauline Folwer cooking and eating breakfast, for example.

Despite what you may think from this post, I've an open mind about the extended editions (note Jackson does not call them 'Director's Cuts'). But I am happy the theatrical cut is being made available.

CaptDS9E · 04-16-2003, 08:26 AM

I love the Extended edition of FOTR. It really added some extra charector stuff as well as a scene which should not have been cut(gift giving). As for TT The entire reason the footage was cut for for time . No way they would release a film over 3 hours long. So 41 more minutes would make TT almost 4 hours long.

Capt

James Reader · 04-16-2003, 08:45 AM

I understand that this may be controversial but...

... cut for timings or not, the theatrical releases are films. Motion pictures are made to be shown cinematically and the only timing pressure put on Jackson was his own.

The theatrical releases of the Lord of the Rings trilogy are just that, theatrical motion pictures.

I see the extended editions being something else, Jackson has stated that they are for "home viewing" and as such are constructed for repeated, user controlled "home viewing". I'm not sure I would call them films anymore. I think the most appropriate comparison is to "TV Mini series", especially when all three extended editions have been released.

I've a few issues with the extended editions, but that's probably because I don't automatically assume longer is better. Most DVDs have deleted scenes with "more character development" and such, be we don't all campaign for them to be reinstated into the film presentation. But I will admit it is nice for us to have the chance to purchase both versions.

I know we still get the theatrical releases (thank you New Line) but I hope that should we not, an initiative as loud as the Star Wars Campaign would be launched by members of this forum. Or do we only wan't original theatrical releases when it suits us?

Fred Mounts · 04-16-2003, 08:58 AM

I would definitely protest should no theatrical version be made available. In the years to come I want to have the version that was nominated for awards, etc to show to my children (should I ever have any

) It annoys me when director's cuts (or extended, et al) are provided without the original; I want to own the version of films (such as The Last Emperor) that was originally acclaimed.

Fred

Andrew 'Ange Hamm' Hamm · 04-16-2003, 09:05 AM

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Don't fall into the trap of thinking more is better. Like it or not, most deleted scenes are deleted for a reason. I'm sure you wouldn't want to see an episode of EastEnders extended, just to show Pauline Folwer cooking and eating breakfast, for example.

I really think this is a different issue, James. For one thing, many of the cuts in these films have been to get it down to some "magic" number of 180 minutes, a limit imposed by the studio. This can't really be compared to cuts made by the director for pacing's sake. For another, this is an adaptation of one of the greatest works of fiction since Charles Dickens, and a kind of faithfulness is one of Jackson's goals. He acknowledges the fans' "ownership" of the material, and the longer versions are really to please them and be true to Tolkien's vision.

Generally I agree: the theatrical version of a film is the quote-unquote "more valid" version (see Star Wars), but there are a ton of extenuating circumstances with LOTR.

James Reader · 04-16-2003, 09:09 AM

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For one thing, many of the cuts in these films have been to get it down to some "magic" number of 180 minutes, a limit imposed by the studio. This can't really be compared to cuts made by the director for pacing's sake.

I seem to remember Jackson insisting New Line didn't ask for a run time for the films and
One of my earlier posts shows some of the edits were cut for pacing.

Really the films and the extended editions are for two different mediums.

Qui-Gon John · 04-16-2003, 10:25 AM

Sounds great, 43 extra minutes, yippee.

I'll just buy the Extended Edition. The only reason I got both for FOTR is due to Blockbuster's deal where you paid for 10 rentals and got the movie free. Now that I have FOTR-EE I never watch the theatrical release, and don't plan to.

Richard Stammer · 04-16-2003, 11:15 AM

I've been following this thread with interest in regard to the debate over the theatrical release vs. the extended release. It is clear to me that the average American's attention span continues to decrease over the years. When was the last time we saw an extended film such as Ben Hur, Lawrence of Arabia, or the Ten Commandments released? A long time, right?

No director in his right mind can release ANY movie today that is longer than 3 hours even if the subject material is sufficiently interesting and/or demands a release of such legnth. Therefore, I bet that in a different environment Peter Jackson would have theatrically released the extended versions of these movies, and even longer versions, if he had had that luxury.

I look upon the extended versions as every bit movies that would play just as well in a theater with viewers interested enough to see them and with an attention span longer than a hyperactive 10-year old child.

Having said that, I still strongly support the dual release of the original theatrical versions with the extended versions as well. I just know that I prefer the extended version of the first movie, and if Peter Jackson holds true to form, the extended version of Two Towers as well.

Finally, chew on this for awhile. Peter Jackson was originally emotionally prepared to only be given financial backing to complete TWO movies to span the entire trilogy. If that had been the case, don't you think that now we might be looking at the theatrical versions that were released as the extended versions in that scenario? And would we not consider them movies but something else?

John Berggren · 04-16-2003, 11:26 AM

I think it's foolish to discuss whether or not a campaign would be raised if only the extended editions became available. This is not the case. Not only were two editions made available, but the 2 disc theatrical cut remains available even after the extended edition debut.

I myself find the extended edition preferable. I felt that the film seemed more whole, more complete. This from someone who went into the theater blind on opening night and was completely taken by the Lord of The Rings. I didn't think it could be a better film in extending it, but I was wrong.

I think Jackson places at LEAST as much import on the extended edition as he does the original theatrical. Else, why is his commentary specific to the extended edition and absent on the theatrical? I happilly own both editions, though I don't know if I'll ever watch the OTE again.

John Berggren · 04-16-2003, 11:28 AM

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Finally, chew on this for awhile. Peter Jackson was originally emotionally prepared to only be given financial backing to complete TWO movies to span the entire trilogy. If that had been the case, don't you think that now we might be looking at the theatrical versions that were released as the extended versions in that scenario? And would we not consider them movies but something else?

I think this is an EXCELLENT point to consider.

I'd be very pleased if after ROTK gets it's theatrical run & DVD release that New Line release the Extended Editions theatrically for limited engagements. It would please me greatly to spend a weekend watching the 3 SEs on the local 60ft screen.