Technology is moving *too* fast - Page 2

Todd Robertson · 01-07-2003, 07:41 PM

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Do people really fear that they'll not be able to buy a DVD player 15-20 years from now? I'd say there's no chance of that.

Holy God. people need to WAKE UP!!!!! how many times do I have to be the only one it seems who is concerned about the real problem? people should be more concerned with the fact that the dvds they now own, may not be playable due to the dvd itself...not the player. if it was fear of not finding a dvd player in 20 years...problem solved. go out and buy 5 or 6 players and put'em on ice. you'll always have a player. but start thinking about "dvd cancer" that is slowly starting to show it's signs of invasion. "cancer"....also known as dvd rot or delamination. better known as poor manufacturing or just shotty quality control. whats even worse is some are mistaking this for just a dirty disc. hopefully, most trouble will be simple to solve. but once a disc starts showing signs of manufacturing error...it's over. better hope they will replace all the limited editions and oop's for free. just another reason we should be able to back up our collections...like we still can with cds, vhs and lps.

David Von Pein · 01-07-2003, 08:08 PM

John Watson · 01-07-2003, 08:12 PM

I heard that Todd. Poor manufacturing, and lack of standards for playability imo.

In personal experience with about 300 DVDs, I've had about 10 unplayables, or badly defectives.

In experience with 2500 cd's, one that rotted, and 3 or so with defects affecting playing.

David Von Pein · 01-07-2003, 08:19 PM

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As to home viewing, how much better can it get?

This is a question I have as well.

SD-DVD has excellent quality!
Are our eyes so perfectly tuned that we're REALLY going to notice THAT much of an improvement from SD to HD-DVD? I've often wondered.

Maybe I'll feel differently once I've seen HD ... but maybe not.

Once the picture gets to that "Really, Really Good" stage (with current SD-DVD), is adding one more "Really" going to be that much better?

David Von Pein · 01-07-2003, 08:22 PM

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In personal experience with about 300 DVDs, I've had about 10 unplayables, or badly defectives.

That's a ridiculously high pct. (esp. for a supposed "lifetime" format), if you ask me!

We should all advocate "Only Single Layer DVDs". Make 'em all dual-sided if that's what is required to get rid of this problem. Right??

Todd Hochard · 01-07-2003, 09:15 PM

DavidVP- are you being sarcastic? I can't tell.

I've purchased nearly 500 DVDs, and all but one have played. And that ONE was defective out of the box. I'd suggest looking at how you're handling your collection. If the problem were widespread, we'd hear about it here. There have been a few (e.g. Contact), but that was related to specific, early pressings.

Every single one of my CDs I've ever purchased still plays (I recently confirmed this as I spent quite a long time transferring them to my Hard Drive). Some date to 1984.

So, I've no need to wake up. I'm wide awake and not worried.

Todd

Todd Robertson · 01-07-2003, 09:18 PM

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We should all advocate "Only Single Layer DVDs". Make 'em all dual-sided if that's what is required to get rid of this problem. Right??

If it cancels out the problem, count me in. whatever works. I'm far from an expert on the problem and how to fix it, but if not for these forums and the smarter people posting on them, I may not know what I do know now. if enough of us speak up to the right people, wouldnt they want to investigate at least? are they not aware enough concerning this issue? maybe it's still to rare to be an official problem..but hopefully it's just not being ignored either. maybe this topic should be it's own permanent thread so that industry leaders could hear from enough dvd lovers that there is a problem and how they see it being solved.

then again, maybe I'm just feeling hostile today. this morning was the first Tuesday in 2 years, that I did not run out all amped up....buying all my new releases. sure wasnt much of a protest, since me not buying 6 new titles didnt kill the industry. not even a ripple in the pool. I'll give into the addiction soon enough because I am weak. I love dvds...but I love films too much to ignore the format for long. I just want the disc quality to last longer than 2 to 10 years.

Jeff Kohn · 01-08-2003, 12:21 AM

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SD-DVD has excellent quality!
Are our eyes so perfectly tuned that we're REALLY going to notice THAT much of an improvement from SD to HD-DVD? I've often wondered.

Maybe I'll feel differently once I've seen HD ... but maybe not.

Once the picture gets to that "Really, Really Good" stage (with current SD-DVD), is adding one more "Really" going to be that much better?

OMG, are you serious? Anybody with a large display will tell you there are definitely limits to the quality of standard DVD's because of the resolution. I have a 55" HDTV, and the difference between DVD's and HDTV programming (HD film transfers, I'm not even talking about HD video) is striking; I'm sure the difference is even greater on a high-end projector with a 10 foot screen.

David Von Pein · 01-08-2003, 02:51 AM

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OMG, are you serious?

Deadly.

Qui-Gon John · 01-08-2003, 08:06 AM

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Do people really fear that they'll not be able to buy a DVD player 15-20 years from now? I'd say there's no chance of that.

I don't know. Anyone see any Beta decks on the market during the last 5 years? 10 years?

Dan Rudolph · 01-08-2003, 08:28 AM

I don't know. Anyone see any Beta decks on the market during the last 5 years? 10 years?

Beta's different as it never did get mainstream success. I doubt you'll be able to find laser disc players anywhere in a few years. I can't find them now. DVD is here for a good while though.