KrishnaS

Denon 3801 vs Denon 3803

Can someone help me understand what the additioanl features of the 3803 over the 3801 one are. I have a chance to pick up a used 3801 from a forum member priced in the $300's. Ecost has a refurbed 3803 for $525. Does it have enough additional features to justify the increase in price?

Mike Up

I believe you can get very close to the performance of the AVR-3801 with the newer AVR-2803. While it may not have as much power, it certainly makes up for it in the preamp section.

You should be able to buy an AVR-2803 from an authorized dealer for around $550, I wouldn't pay over $600 for it though.

As far as refurbished items go, when I see them, I run away in the opposite direction. I've never had a refurbished product EVER WORK CORRECTLY. Most refurbs just replace the burnt out part without correcting the problem that caused it to burn out in the first place.

IMO, a Brand, Spanking New AVR-2803 would be your best bet.

Have a good one.

Mike Up

BTW, I've only knew one person named Krish. You're not from Highland,IN are you?

KrishnaS

No, I'm from Indianapolis, IN. And my name is Krishna. Do you know me? I went to Purdue and then lived in Chicago for 6 years working for IBM. I'm back in Indy now.

Thanks for the advice. Color me confused on what to do right now. I really am just looking for a receiver with GREAT prepro features and so so amps. So so amps can drive my current setup - Energy Take 5. My plan , grand plan , is to replace the front two speakers with high end speakers in a year and then add an outboard amp to drive these high end speakers with the Denon running the sides and surrounds.

I would jump on the 2801 but it is only 5 channels. I want my receiver to last quite a while running as a good prepro while I do my slow upgrade. The 1804 seems perfect but I can't add outboard amps. The 3803 might be overkill in the amps department since I plan on adding outboard amps anyway.

I think you might be right - the 2803 might be the way to go. It offers all the preamp features of the 38 series AND lets me add outboard amps.

Thanks for letting me ramble. This probably shows you how confused I am

Mike Up

That's funny, my buddy Krish went to Purdue also but he's never been to Indy although he did live in London for a while working for an internet company.

The World is smaller than we really know.

The AVR-3803 does offer Video upconversion, DDSC circuits, Alpha 24 processing, Pure Direct mode, higher end DACs, and other features. However, the AVR-2803 is a killer on it's own for a cheap price.

The AVR-2803 does seem a good fit for your needs but here's information on both to better help you decide. If you deem it's worth it, you'll be able to get the AVR-3803 for about $200 more than the AVR-2803.

Denon AVR-3803 information.
Denon AVR-2803 information.

As you can see, they both use the same chassis so the only way to tell them apart is really by the model number label.

Hope this helps and good luck on your decision.

Have a good one.

KrishnaS

I lived in London too. A long time ago. What a small world. Thanks for the info. I will research them both. I think I'm leaning toward the 3803. If my plan is correct and I plan on using it as a prepro - the more features the better. And $200 is not a bank breaker. Might be worth the investment. The only complication now is a comparison of the 3801 to the 3803. I have another thread open asking about the features of the 3803 above the 3801. If they aren't significant I will go with the 3801 used for about $300. That's a steal!

Thanks again. I appreciate the detailed response!

KS

Yogi

If you want plain vanilla features but a great sound your best bet is the 3801. Its cheaper, warmer sounding (to my ears) than the 3803 and more powerful compared to the 3803 or the 2803 (in real bench tests).

I would go with the 3801 cos, IMHO sound comes above all other features...YMMV

Cheers,

The truth is not out there but within you.

Stephen M

Yogi, where is there documentation regarding amp changes from the 3801 to 3803? Is the 3805 using the same amps as the 3803?

JeremySt

The 3805 has a larger amp section than previous models at that price point. The 3805 also has room EQ. As an owner of the 3802, 3803, and now 3805, and can say that the 3805 is far better than all previous versions.

Some people actually prefer the sound of the 3802/1 to the 3803.

Compare them all here. http://www.usa.denon.com/home/

Yogi

I think Denon has them on their site. If you look in the information brochure of these models you will see a mention of capacitor upgrades in the powersupply of the newer models. I think Hi-fi mag did actual measurements of these two models and the 3801 had a more powerful amp section (around 90Wx5) compared to the 3803s (50Wx5) amps. I think the 3801 and the 3802 were the most powerful (perhaps because the test results of the 3805 are yet to come out) and best sounding (to my ears) models of the 38xx series IMHO. They had the characteristic warm/full Denon sound. The later models got a little thin (AKA detailed/neutral/focussed by some) and analytical sounding. But that again is my own experience. IMO for the $200 difference the 3801 is a better value. The remaining $200 can be put to buying more DVDs.

The truth is not out there but within you.