Michael__M

I am a little confused about that statement above. Logic 7 takes a two channel signal and converts it to 5 or 7 channel material depending on how you have the system set up. If you give the 7200 a digital input with dolby 5.1 or dts 5.1 material, it will matrix out the 7.1 channels for you also. Logic 7 does not work with 5.1 input at all. It makes it's own 5.1/7.1 signal by processing the two channel input. I think if you play a Digital 5.1 disc and use the two channel analog feed, you should be able to produce logic 7 playback. I think that is how it works, I could be wrong.

I have had the 7200 for about a month now. I am very pleased with the unit. I also have a Yamaha RXV-640. The Yam was a bit underpowered for my application so I bought the 7200 and moved the Yam into my family room. The Yam definitely has more features. More DSP modes, video upconversion, and a cleaner user interface. I noticed the additional power of the 7200 seemed to control the sound fields in my room a little better than the Yam. I truly got the feeling that I was part of the movie. I can't comment on the 1400/2400. I also had a Denon 5803 to play with along side the 7200 and the 7200 is just as clean and a little more powerful than the Denon. For the money it is hard to beat the 7200 but if you truly need the features of the Yam than it is also a consideration. I 'borrowed' a 7200 for a week from Circuit City before I purchased from OneCall. I would suggest you try both before you buy. If you just have to have the extra DSP modes and features, I would consider buying a lower line Yam and upgrading to separate amps in the future. Looking back I probably could have taken this route also.

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Dah-Dee

It was my understanding that the 'full-blown' Logic 7 used by Lexicon *does* work with 5.1 input; that's the update I was talking about/wishing for. I'd read (AVS?) that H/K used a stripped down version of Logic 7 in its own branded products, only the Lexicon division got the full version. Is that incorrect?

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Steve Satch

I don't have my 7200 yet, but I understood the logic 7 to work the way David said. I think asking HK to upgrade logic 7 to take 5.1 and matrix it to 7.1 is fair. I think they made it clear no PLIIx. Get the campaign rolling and I'm in.

Michael__M

OK, I see what you guys are saying now. I just read up on the subject a bit. You want the L7 to leave the fronts alone and matrix the rear to stereo, correct? If I read correctly the pieces with that capability are quite a bit more expensive. You guys just want it all, don't you.

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Dah-Dee

Now you've got it!

I'm really very happy with the 7200 -- just think that DPLIIx or 'real' Logic 7 would finally shut up the [obviously misguided ] naysayers.

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Drew Bethel

>>I also had a Denon 5803 to play with along side the 7200 and the 7200 is just as clean and a little more powerful than the Denon.<<

Wow, that comment speaks volumes.

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Steve Satch

I bought knowing it doesn't matrix 5.1 to 7.1. My room isn't ideal for 7.1 though as my rears and sides would pretty much be right on top of each other behind the couch. I can't get anything to the sides. I might try 7.1 someday but I think going after the best 5.1 sound is right for me. Because of that I'm not that worried about the "limited" aspect of logic 7. I may regret my choice later. Great 2 channel stereo and 5.1 sound is what I'm after. I expect to be happy. If you need to matrix 5.1 ro 7.1 wait for the 7300 and pay 2K or buy the Yamaha 2400 or Denon 3805 I think it is. I think the powerful clean amps of the HK are more important than the Dolby Pro Logic IIx and other features of the Yamaha and Denon.

Michael__M

As far as the comparo with the Denon, it is a little complicated. I would think that the d/a convertors of the 5803 would be a little 'better' than the h/k's. The 5803 seemed a bit smoother than the h/k. I am one of those that believes that you have to match components to get the best out of them. I have mid-line PSB image speakers. Am I hearing all the fine details and nuances that the Denon may be producing over the h/k through my speakers? Probably not. Could I even hear them if I had speakers that did produce them? Probably not. All of this stuff is relative. I will probably always be impressed by the way my cousins $20K set up sounds. Not because it sounds so much better then mine, just because I see all those names on the equipment and somehow believe that it should sound better. I know that is wrong but that is just the way it will be for a while until I listen to alot more and get a better perspective. I do know that the raw power of the h/k was evident. I was having bass issues with my setup before, I no longer have any issues.

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How much does a Denon 5803 run?

Dah-Dee

Did a quick search and found it as low as $3,105.00 (plus shipping) at a no-name e-tailer....It's $4,300.00 at J&R (plus shipping).

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Steve Satch

Wow, we're comparing the HK which can be had for under $850 to a unit that's over 3k! Think about that!

CurtisC

I have the 7200,NO WAY it gets close to the 5803 in any regard,it can't even outperform the 3803 in pre/pro,IMO.For HT it will pass,for music aaaaarrrg.