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03-01-2004, 11:21 PM
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I have learned not to tell her the actual cost, unless I'm getting a big enough discount that she focuses more on the great deal I got, vs the absolute cost. 
If it's not worth waiting until the last minute to do, then it's not worth doing.
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03-02-2004, 07:14 AM
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There is a law of weighting things objectively here Kevin. If you're married, you might have to take the cheaper one unless you can demonstrate to her that the cost differential is outweighed by by something like her makeup expenditures. If she's your girlfriend, and I'm sure you love her dearly, go with the more expensive one especially if you're not living together. In the end, the one you want is usually the more expensive one although we try and rationalize it away. Consider the person who is looking at something like Studio 40's and Studio 100's. He's there scratching his head. He really wants the 100's so what does he do? He posts on forums like this looking for owners of the 40's that're going to wax poetically about that model. He'll mentally justify the less expensive one by rationalizing the drivers aren't that different and so forth. After a year or so, he'll be back here looking to upgrade and he will. He'll now rationalize the fact he's got to sell the 40's at a loss.
If it's the Bryston's Kevin, maybe they're cheaper to buy in Canada. Cut a deal with the signficant other and take her on a mini vacation to Canada with the thought you're going to save some money on the model you really want. A nice dinner, some sight seeing, romantic nights...
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03-02-2004, 07:40 AM
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Kevin,
I still dont understand why you dont get the Lexicon versions of the Brystons (and buy used)..you could save a BUNDLE of money and get the same identical amp..Take a vacation with the funds that you saved or put it into another part of your system.
PS..your probably gonna mention the warranty differences between the lex and bryston, but more then likely you wont ever have a single problem with these amps anyhow. |
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03-02-2004, 08:06 AM
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John, what are the Lexicon model's that are considered Bryston clones? Are these discontinued older amps? Thanks.
Charles
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03-02-2004, 10:31 AM
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Hey whats up Charles !
The lexicon clones are discountinued now, as of a year or two ago (They do however carry a 5 year warranty).When service is needed Lexicon has them sent to Bryston. They are identical in every way except the faceplate of course and the Lex's are THX certified (because they have a trigger on them)
Lexicon 5 channel NT512 = Bryston 9BST
Lexicon 3 channel NT312 = Bryston 5BST
Lexicon 2 channel NT212 = Bryston 3BST
Lexicon 2 channel NT225 = Bryston 4BST
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03-02-2004, 10:36 AM
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I'm Kevin's girlfriend, on email at least  , and tried to convince him not to spend so much money (on new, sealed Bryston STs).
Charles,
The Lexicon NT series were rebadged Bryston ST amps with a 5 year warranty (instead of 20 years). Of course, Bryston will service them for a fee after the 5 year period. The models were: NT225 250x2, NT212 125x2, NT312, NT412, NT515. Going rate for used NT 125 wpc amps is ~ $320 per channel compared to ~ $400 for used Bryston STs. For example, a used 9b-st goes for 2000-2100; a used NT512 goes for 1700-1800 (what John paid). |
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03-02-2004, 11:10 AM
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Charles,
Here's an NT312 that might go for ~1k. While these are rated 125 wpc, they test at 160 wpc. Remember Corey Greenberg with his NHT 3.3s? Corey used to drive his 3.3s with an Aragon 4004mkII 200x2 before getting a Bryston 9b-st (aka NT512) to drive two pairs of 3.3s and one AC1.
http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/auc....80727&auc&3&4& |
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03-02-2004, 11:26 AM
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VERY tempting Ricky. 
The upgrade bug is like a desease, we could make a movie about it and call it, "28 Components Later"
I am not looking to trade in my Sherbourn just yet but I do have a SVS PB2-ISD sub coming soon.
With that in mind, I may find myself not needing to biamp those VT2's with 2 200 watt channels. That is yet to be determined. If my system sounds better with all speakers crossed over at 80hz, then shooting 200 watts to the VT2 woofer would be wasted. Soooooooooo that did get me thinking about amps down the road.....
Charles
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03-02-2004, 12:59 PM
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Kevin,
The only thing I had a chance to test, was an open analog input. The receiver was switched to one of the unused video inputs, that has a default setting of analog. No device was attached to the inputs. The results were very similar to the prior test. The hiss/hum might have been slightly louder, but I didn't try to measure, last night. It did not increase in volume with the volume control, just like the previous test.
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03-02-2004, 01:28 PM
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And to those looking at the 3 channel Lexicon for auction.... on Ebay there is the 3 channel Bryston 5B ST.
Theres going to be 2 lucky owners!
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03-03-2004, 03:26 AM
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JT- Complicated and won't make sense to anyone but me...
I looked at the 3b-st/nt212, to go with a 9b-st/nt512. I have read all the reviews, seen all the measurements, but to me, the 3b-st/nt212 is just not a substantial enough box. 17" wide, by about 6" tall, by only 9" deep, and weighs about 22 lbs. (I call it a "shoebox" amp.) Bottom line, and Ricky has had a lot of heartache over this , *I* need to be satisfied with the final combo.
So then I switched gears to the 5b-st and 8b-st. 3 channels plus 4 channels, and they actually use the same chassis, so they "stack" more nicely. (I actually have a 60lb balanced power unit on top of the two amps I have now, in the rack under my TV. That would be impossible with the 3b-st/nt212.) But they are really hard to find. And I'd need to find a 412 to go with that 312. Even harder to find. (And I even rationaize the 3 + 4 combo is better for heat dissapation than the 2 + 5 combo.) So I found a brand new 5b-st plus an 8b-st just decided to do it.
Charles- My advice you you is: do *not* go and read all the reviews on Bryton's site. There's no turning back after that. The only other combo I thought seriously about, was the Proceed AMP5 plus either the AMP2 or the BPA-2. But I looked for months, and never did find a BPA-2...
If it's not worth waiting until the last minute to do, then it's not worth doing.
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03-03-2004, 07:59 AM
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I hear ya Kevin. I've even tried to rationalize that Bryston wouldn't work well with NHT's but then I've heard that contradicted on several occasions.
Charles
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