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Old 01-11-2004, 12:01 AM   #1 of 18
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Hello, How important is it to have a equalizer if u have a good receiver.Does a eq really make that much of a difference in the sound.Any info would be appreciated.thanks.
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Old 01-11-2004, 04:03 AM   #2 of 18
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It depends on how you use it. I believe an EQ is a good thing if you use it to...

-correct for room response (uneven bass, over-emphasized treble, etc.)
-bring down the treble on very bright speakers
-make the speaker's response more flat
-etc...

Apparently they are not understood by most people and end up getting used wrong, like making a "V" pattern with the sliders which might make it sound "exciting" for a bit but is really a bad thing to do if sound quality is of any importance. (I have a friend who does that and it sounds absolutely rancid!! )

I'm going to use an EQ with my subwoofer to correct for the bad room response, like the peak around 45hz. Lots of people do this.

But for the main speakers they are not very important. Some receivers have parametric EQ built in, which is a nice feature and all, but it's not something I would care about.
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Old 01-11-2004, 07:01 AM   #3 of 18
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If you are talking about hand adjusted EQs, they should be used very sparingly. As Jake notes, many users in the past cranked the bass and the treble and thought things were better. The problem with that approach is that a lot of the sound we hear is in the midrange. By changing the relationship between the bass, midrange and treble, we skew the entire presentation.

Lots of boosters of the Auto Eq features (on receivers) that are out or coming out swear by them. They are pleased with the changes the auto circuitry makes to the presentation. From what I've read, most of these EQ's seem to make things clearer, so that translates to the mids and the highs being boosted.

Also, another issue is that some of these changes often involve very large boosts (as much as +6db) at some frequencies which can tax speakers and the receiver's amplifiers. IMO, one should be very careful when equalizing upper frequencies (IOW, above the bass.) The wavelengths of the sound are so short that if the response is not averaged over the entire listening area, the sound may be fine in one listening position and worse than where you started everywhere else. None of the currently available receivers out can average upper frequency response for more than one listening location.

The best approach for good upper frequency balance in a listening room is buying the right speakers to begin with, along with placing them reasonably well. Of course, the room itself is a factor too. If it has too much of an echoey sound to it, it can effect clarity.

Also as Jake notes, bass EQ is THE type of frequency response control that an EQ should be used for. Bass response peaks or nulls are something that room placement can only affect a little. And, these peaks or nulls are spread over a much wider area than the upper frequency issues. (This is because bass frequency wavelengths are so long, the opposite of the high frequency problem.) Set a sub here, you have one problem. Move it a few feet, you have another. This is where a bass parametric EQ can make a real difference. To date, none of the current receivers (although the new Yamaha flagship may be able to do some type of bass EQ) are capable of doing room/bass correction correctly (parametric style EQ with no set frequency bands.)

Bottom line, my opinion is that in general, most EQ's are not a panacea for HTs. For bass frequencies, if they are corected properly, they can be quite helpful. Move higher in frequency and the benefits are not as clear cut.

(Here is a link I've listed before to a good paper on EQ. While it does talk about a product, the info on EQ is enlightening. http://www.meridian-audio.com/w_pape...ection_scr.pdf )

(FWIW, the above is my opinion. I know that many users of the auto EQ units will disagree. And they are certainly entitled to their opinion too. )
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Old 01-11-2004, 01:02 PM   #4 of 18
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Thanks for the information.I am fairly new to the world of HT.I have a kenwood reciever and it sounds great.I am going to get a spl meter this weekend.You had metioned that some receivers can really tax your speakers.So i am guessing that having my speakers levels at the highest setting is not a good thing.Most of my speakers say that they can handle a lot more power than my receiver is putting out.
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Old 01-11-2004, 01:30 PM   #5 of 18
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You had metioned that some receivers can really tax your speakers


He meant that using an EQ to boost things can draw lots of power from the receiver, power it may not have which can cause the amp to clip which can damage the speakers.

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So i am guessing that having my speakers levels at the highest setting is not a good thing


Do you mean the tone controls or the individual trim settings for each speaker? Tone controls should be in the mid position and I wouldn't turn the trim settings all the way up, there's no reason to.

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Most of my speakers say that they can handle a lot more power than my receiver is putting out.


As long as you aren't pushing the receiver to it's limits all the time then it has plenty of power for you.
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Old 01-11-2004, 04:25 PM   #6 of 18
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Where can one get a dedicated low-freq. equalizer for subwoofer use, aside from the ones availabel through SVS?
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Old 01-11-2004, 04:48 PM   #7 of 18
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Where can one get a dedicated low-freq. equalizer for subwoofer use, aside from the ones availabel through SVS?


This product is one of the more popular options:
Behringer Feedback Destroyer - or BFD

The BFD runs approx. $120 + shipping from most musician supply places on the Web. The MSRP is $149.99.



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Old 01-11-2004, 06:15 PM   #8 of 18
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Gracias!
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Old 01-11-2004, 06:59 PM   #9 of 18
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Ray,

You might also look into this software for use in conjunction with the BFD equalizer: Software



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Old 01-11-2004, 07:12 PM   #10 of 18
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Thanks. I've also been looking at other pro-sound EQ's that go down to 20Hz, especially the single-channel types. The set adjustable freq's, from low to high, seem to go 20, 25, 31.5, 50, 60, 70, and so on....which seems pretty reasonable. They only have XLR/balanced and 1/4" bal/unbal jacks, but adaptors should work fine.

Yet.....with that reasoning, $119 for a single-channel 31-band ART unit from SVS is a good deal. So I'm back where I started.
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