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Old 12-03-2003, 08:58 AM   #1 of 16
Chris Q
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pioneer elite quality issues?


Iwent to my local elite dealer ship,and one of the salesman told me he personnelly said he would not buy another one.I really like the 53tx,could any elite owners or others give me some answers on this?


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Old 12-03-2003, 04:53 PM   #2 of 16
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I don't own an Elite, but will tell you this:

All receivers have quality control issues. If you read the forums you will see that anyone can have problems with any brand/line. The more popular the receiver, the more problems you see posted because more people own them. Most of the time it's a percentage thing - 10% of the owners have 90% of the problems. That means that if 100 people own a certain receiver you see 10 complaints and if 1000 people own it, 100 complaints. (These are not real numbers and are meant only as illustration.)

Pioneer is a good company, as are most others who make receivers in the class of the 53tx. Salespeople have their prejudices and bad experiences just like the rest of us. If the Elite is what you truly want, I'd not hesitate - though I'd hesitate to buy from the guy you mentioned. If you ever had a problem with it, he'd likely be less helpful than someone who believes in the product.



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Old 12-03-2003, 05:12 PM   #3 of 16
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They had some issues about 3 or 4 years ago, but I haven't heard of any since, especially with the current and last year's models.

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Old 12-03-2003, 05:35 PM   #4 of 16
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Iwent to my local elite dealer ship,and one of the salesman told me he personnelly said he would not buy another one.

One has to wonder if your salesperson has truly experienced issues with Pioneer Elite gear - or, would prefer that you buy other branded gear from him.



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Old 12-04-2003, 01:43 AM   #5 of 16
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I had a problem with a DV-05 player once, but after a little prodding, they actually took it back and gave me a great deal on the 47ai I still have now.



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Old 12-04-2003, 09:11 AM   #6 of 16
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Both of the systems I have owned have been Pio Elite. My first system was a VSX-37TX/DV-37 combo (with an A-35R amp for the rears) and I recently upgraded to the 49TXi/47Ai combo. I also have a PD-27 300-disc CD changer.

I have nothing but good things to say about these units. I had no problems in 3+ years and was/am completely satisfied with the equipment.

I agree with what Doug said, obviously with a large company like Pioneer, that is putting out thousands of units some people are going to have problems. Most the things I have heard indicate that Pioneer does fairly well in fixing these problems.

Sorry to sound like a shill for Pioneer (I promise I don't work for them!) but I really love my 49TXi/47Ai!!

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Old 12-04-2003, 09:44 AM   #7 of 16
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One has to wonder if your salesperson has truly experienced issues with Pioneer Elite gear - or, would prefer that you buy other branded gear from him.

Very true. The store may have a higher margin on other brands of equipment, or the salesman may earn a larger commission on other brands.

FWIW, I have owned a Pioneer Elite 47TX receiver for about 2 years. I had one service issue with the unit -- turned out to be a blown fuse. It was repaired under warranty, and the dealership even gave me a loaner receiver (not an Elite, though) while mine was being repaired. Other than that issue, I have had no problems and have been very pleased with the receiver.


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Old 12-04-2003, 12:50 PM   #8 of 16
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Let me add my name to the 'Happy Elite Owners List'. I am very happy with my 43TX. It also depends what kind of problems that salesperson had. It may not be a QC issue. Some call it a problem if they find there reciever not loud enough or a crappy remote.
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Old 12-04-2003, 01:14 PM   #9 of 16
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the only Elite issues I am aware of is with their new line of Elite RPTV's.



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Old 12-04-2003, 06:25 PM   #10 of 16
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I have a 53tx, a beautiful little tank for under 1k. Nice finish excellent features (only complaint is only 2 rear opticals, at least the digital coaxes aren't shared so you can work around it). MCACC, 8 analog ins for hi-rez, etc, great amp section which has linear power (2 channel measures within 2 watts as 5 channel full load)

The only Elite reciever issue I have seen was the early 45tx models had an overactive protection cicuit that caused shutdown with low Ohm loads at high volume. However this was quickly addressed and none of the others in the tx line have this problem.

Two big thumbs up from me.

*edit* I should note that 4 out of my 5 speakers are rated at 6 Ohms and I can run at reference (ouch!) just fine.
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Old 12-04-2003, 07:03 PM   #11 of 16
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An Elite dealer not happy with the product, maybe they're changing lines??? Anyways I own the Elite 45tx (pre 53tx) and its one great HT receiver.
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Old 12-04-2003, 09:22 PM   #12 of 16
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Count me in, Elite 49TXi and couldn't be happier with it.
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