Any thoughts on Sony ES?

Micah Wells · 10-21-2003, 04:26 PM

I am building a new home, (as well as my home theater) and have been reviewing everything from speakers to recievers. I spoke to a dealer in Dallas the other day that recommended the Sony ES line, model STR-DA1000ES priced at $600. I have seen that many of you do not like the Sony line of equipment, but the dealer told me that the ES line is completely different form the normal Sony line. Any thoughts here? I am also looking at the Kenwood 7070.

gregD · 10-21-2003, 05:02 PM

Sounds a little like you're dealer is eager to get you in a spending mood... the ES line is a step up from the normal Sony line, particularly in terms of build quality and better components... but it's not an obvious dramatic difference.

Sony makes decent gear, but shop around... especially with a new dedicated HT room, you owe it to yourself to research and audition as thoroughly as you can before spending... take into account your listening (and viewing) preferences, the nature of the room, and devise a budget... search this forum to see what other enthusiasts think of various gear.

A little solid information will keep you from being steered into wrong choices by an eager salesperson.

JackS · 10-21-2003, 05:24 PM

The Sony ES line is a good place to start. Use the 1000ES as your base standard and look at receivers within $100 bucks MSRP (up or down). If you find a receiver that you like the sound of or maybe a specific feature better, that should be your choice. A big part of buying and owning this stuff is beleiving that you have truly made a wise decision, thus avoiding any and all regrets. Good luck.

Ron.T · 10-21-2003, 05:58 PM

Here is a good site if you are looking for info on Sony and Sony ES gear. http://www.agoraquest.com/forum.php. They are pro Sony there, but there is some good info there. I just bought a new receiver. I finally got the Sony DA2ES. I basically got it because it did what I wanted it to do and I got it for $350.00 which was a pretty good price. So far I have been very happy with it. I know that there are better and more powerful receivers out there, but for the $$, this one was right. Sony ES gear also has a 5 year warranty. This is nice to have. This is what I have in my system.

Sony DA2ES
NHT Super Zero
NHT SW2P with MA-1A Amp
NHT SuperCenter
Sony CDP-X222ES
Sony TC-K650ES
Panasonic DVD-RV31
JVC HR-5700U
Samsung TXM3281HF

Good luck. Listen to a lot and make your selection on your needs and what sounds good TO YOU.

Ron

Ernest Yee · 10-22-2003, 03:31 PM

I've heard the new digital amps below the 3000ES are lacking in power. I mean, I think the AVD-S50(0)ES / AVD-C70(0)ES has the same digital drive as the 3000 and it incorporates the DVD/SACD player and has all the internal digital conversion within the unit. You might want to consider that instead if you're going with the Sony.

Or if you want to go with a traditional power supply, last year's Sony DA4,5,7ES are all highly regarded (If you're still leaning towards the Sony ES line).

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Micah Wells · 10-22-2003, 03:45 PM

If I am correct, the ES doesn't step to a digital amp until the 2000. I have heard the same about the digital amps lacking power. I have also read good things about the H+K 225. It's only rated at 55 watts, but I saw someone say that this is a true rating, whereas others are rated at 100 wats, but only produce 40-45 watts. Any thoughts on this?

Also, what do you think about the Kenwood 7070? It is THX certified, and in my price range.

Richard_B · 10-22-2003, 04:26 PM

This is a hard price range because there are so many good choices. The Sony ES is not bad in my opinion. You may want to look at the Sony DA4ES as Ernest suggested, I am sure you can find it in your price range.
The new Yamaha RX-V1400 and last years Pioneer Elite VSX-45TX would both be on my list as they both have the microphone setup feature to help calibrate your system. I am not sure about the Kenwood you listed but the two I mentioned above are also THX certified.

ChrisWiggles · 10-22-2003, 06:17 PM

I would take the Sony ES over the kenwood. Ignore the fact that the kenwood(or much else) is THX certified. I've used the 6070, which was also THX certified, and my marantz 5300 walks all over it. Also, I am not at all convinced at the quality of the digital amps in the new ES line. I heard their flagship receiver with digial amps playing through the new dynaudio contour series, and was most dissappointed. They make some solid units, i'd look around though, at competing units from hk, marantz, denon, pioneer elite, rotel, yamaha, outlaw, integra, etc etc.

John Garcia · 10-22-2003, 06:30 PM

I heard the same thing about the 5000ES powering Wilson Watt Puppies at a local audio show = Results not impressive (did not hear them myself).

I have a friend with the 3ES, and I feel it is more than adequate, so I would agree with Ernest, but add the 3ES to your list (basically the same amp section as the 4ES). 3, 4, 5 and 7ES would be good choices.

I also agree strongly with Chris Wiggles however, that you will be best served by, at the very least, auditioning gear from as many of the manufacturers he listed in your price range.

Ernest Yee · 10-22-2003, 07:06 PM

Micah - Don't be fooled by the THX Certification - it really doesn't mean all too much because many receivers / amps that do not have this certification can create sounds that surpass units that do have the cert.

Shiu · 10-22-2003, 08:50 PM

If you read the S&V review on the Sony 4ES you will find that their lab tests show that its one and two channel power maximum output exceeded the specified 110W per channel. S&V did not test its 5,6,7 channel output while driven simultaneously. It is quite possible that if, say 5 channels are driven simultaneously, the 4ES maximum power output at 20-20,000 hz at the specified THD would drop significantly to the 40 to 70W per channel mark. I would think that the 4ES power output rating is limited mostly by the power supply. As for the amplifiers, all 7 of them are rated for 110W. In real life applications, it would be rare to encounter souce materials that drive all 5, 6, or 7 channels simultaneously to their rated level. So I think it is important to appreciate the 4ES's strong (110W each) amplifiers and it is not hard to forgive its weaker power supply that cannot support the same level of its two channel rated output when all channels are driven simultaneously. A similarly priced (or slightly higher) HK model such as the AVR525, would give you the "true" output as specified, with all 7 channels driven simultaneously. I would guess that the HK equivalent model (the 525) has a much stronger power supply than the 4ES does, but it does not mean that it has stronger amplifiers. In terms of sound quality, I listened to both the AVR225 and the 525. They both sounded great, but the 4ES sounds good to me too. From the features stand point, the 4ES and the AVR525 are comparable to each other. I have no doubt most people around here would recommend the HK over the Sony. I think you should listen to both before making your decision. If you end up going with the Sony, I think the 4ES is a better buy than the 1000ES.