Lyden,
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so for now i want a reciver about 400 i will eventualy go pre/pro but for now i want a reciver with preouts for all chanels im thinking about the Pioneer 812k but im not sure if it still has its 6.1 pre outs
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Check Pioneer 912K, is a little better than the 812, and you can find it for $300 online.
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and i add an amp will the poor sound quality of the amp in that thing affect my sound if im using a external amp?
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I dont know what external amp you are considering, but overall I think more power will only give you better performace on your setup. And the amp inside will do nothing or affect nothing if you use the receiver as an pre amp.
But I dont know how good of an pre 812 or the 912 can be, and by this I only state my personal opinion, but I think this model that pioneer introduce are very good for what the were intended to be "Good entry level recievers with a lot of features and not so expesive". So their strenght is price/features. But sound wise, I dont know. But if you like what you hear as a pre then you can upgrade later.
Try to go one step at the time, you are getting Klipsch speakers, which are very efficient speakers, so I think you wont need an external amp. Try to put as much money as you can in speakers, this could make the best improvement your setup can have. Also are you getting a sub? this could help your receiver and the overall sounding of your setup.
Hope it helps,