[Jonathan T]

Would using a tube pre-amp in your system with a solid state power amp yeild the same sonic effect as using a tube power amp?

[Darrel McBane]

How similar may depend on the rest of your system. Speakers, room, source and SS amp. Many believe that some SS amps are very close to the sound of tube amps. Different, but when matched with a tube preamp and the right tubes. Can sound on par with an all tube system. I recently bought a used Audible Illusion Modular 3A tube preamp. It with my Rotel 1090 stereo amp. Aided with ByBee power cords from the AI and 1090 sound incredible with the Revel F-30 main speakers. I bought the AI locally. And had a chance to listen to the sellers system. Cary mono block amps, First Sound Mark II preamp and Coincedent main speakers. He is using Shunyata power cords. He also came over to my house to have a listen to my setup. His system has more transparency and some more detail than mine. But, cost about three times as much as my setup. He later e-mailed me and said.

"I would NOT say that I am getting the same level of performance based on price that you are".

"If I were to start over and wanted to go Solid State, I would get the Rotel 1090 and Revel F30's. You hit that combo dead on. I was impressed".

So IMO matching a tube preamp with a SS amp. Can impress even dye hard tube based people.

[Scott Oliver]

There is no certain answer here. It is all about your preferences, as well as your system.

[Yogi]

A tube preamp with B&K amplifiers is as close to tube sound you can get without the hassle of tubes, IMHO.

[Scott_N]

A tube preamp with a Bel Canto eVo2 would be close to all tube IMO. I've heard the eVo2 with a Cary SLP-2002 and the sound was very smooth and transparent.

[Lee Scoggins]

I would urge all of you to consider the power matching, impedence, and other requirements of the speakers before making blanket judgments. Scott Oliver is right in that there are too many variables to consider.

I have found with Audio Research gear that their tube amps sound better with a tube pre-amp all else being equal. The amp-speaker combination is generally far more critical than the pre-amp selection. I would say that preamps have gotten much quieter over the past four years so I would choose something recent. I used to like the classic Audible Illusions preamps but the new ARC preamps are much better.

[Scott Oliver]

BTW, my preference is an all tube system. I have not heard a SS system do the things a tube system can, especially when it comes to texture and emotion.

I now have a Granite Audio Preamp and an Art Audio Concerto amp and the combo is divine.

Personally, the hassles of tubes are way overated too, espececially if you just buy a self-biasing amp.

Oh and I also must echo what Lee statred concerning the amp and speakers matching. I think system design to a large degree must start with what type of speaker you are going to use. SS designs can have lots of wattage for much less money than the big tube powerhouse amps. So if you are considiering a tube amp make sure you get a speaker that doesn't need huge amounts of power, otherwise your wallet will pay for it.

[Brett DiMichele]

Solid State amps can be made to sound like tubes. Tubes
add more even order harmonic distorsion (pleasing) than
Odd Order (not pleasing) Solid State tends to do odd order
but this can easily be changed by the design of the amp.

It all depends on what you want.. Tubes add coloration to
the sound they are not "transparent" because if they were then there would be no difference between tubes and solid
state (though when you get into super expensive tube gear
there really isn't much measureable difference between them
and very good solid state amplification.)

If you are looking for pure unaltered sound then tubes may
not be the way to go. I personaly have tubes and solid
state and I think they both have thier place. The tubes are
nice when I want all source media to sound nice and smooth
and I am not worried about volume (I can't afford a 200+
watt tube system... So the 20 watts I have sound good but
they won't drive the setup to 120Db like my solid state will.)

In the other sense when I am casualy listening to music
like I have been for the past 4 days since I got XM in the
house (non stop) I won't turn the tubes on.. Why burn up
tubes when I am just walking around, surfing the net and
listening to music.

Burning up tubes is more of a moote point with PreAmps
since they are linestage and generaly not driven hard they
tend to live a few thousand hours easily. Power tubes in a
good tube amp won't last that long without loosing thier
sonic signature from what I have read thus far.

For me Tubes in the Pre was too much hassle though. For the
level of quality I wanted I couldn't get for less than a
few thousand dollars. When for under a grand I have a S.S
Pre that will give some of the best S.S Pre's out there a
run for thier money.

It's all in what each person wants.

[Jonathan T]

My speakers will be a pair of HE10.1s. Adire audio says it was designed to work well with tube amplification. Although, I've heard other people say that solid state will work better in this case cause the HE10.1s need an amp that has very good control over the bass. And, from what I've read, tube amps don't have enough dampening to keep the bass on these speakers tight and smooth. Now that I think about it, there are so many hassels with tubes from high voltage to burning out tubes, I'd rather buy a good solid state and use that. THanks guys.

[Brett DiMichele]

Jonathan,

There are tube amps that have good dampening factors. But
they don't come cheap! My $500.00 pair of tube monoblocks
(20 Watts Class A Push/Pull) will power a 89Db Sensitive
speaker to decent (not ear bleeding) listening levels. And
has great control over the Midrange (They are not pushing
anything below 100Hz).

[Jonathan T]

With my setup, I would have the crossover set to 80hz, everything below would be sent to a AV-12 sub. C500 a pair is a lot for a 15 year old. I am getting a job this summer but 1000 is still alot.