[james e m]

Okay, I don’t want to be boring and post another one of those “tell me what I should buy” threads, but I could really use some people’s advice! Although I have been into home theater for awhile this is the first time I will be buying a separate amp to power my speakers. I will try to give you as much possible information about my equipment and set up so that someone may be able to steer me in the right direction. Let it be known that I do plan on auditioning as many amps as I can (except for the Outlaw) before I buy. So essentially I will let my ears decide, but your opinions will allow me to narrow down the choices.

My listening habits:
75% Two channel stereo music

5% 5.1 channel music (SACD player to come at a later date)

20% Movies

Preferred sound:
Warm

Equipment:
Receiver: Sony DA 5ES (this will be transformed into a pre/pro)
Speakers: Paradigm Reference Studio 100s x two, Studio 20s x four, and a Studio CC. I will be upgrading to dual SVS 20-39PC+s in another year.

Speaker cable: Monster XP throughout

Surge protector/line filter: Brickwall PW2R

CD Player: Sony CDP-C265 (to be upgraded to a Sony 555ES or equivalent)

DVD Player: Sony DVP-S530D

Turntable: Sharp :b (To be upgraded to a Rega p3 or equivalent)

Room:
I will be moving into a new home in about 6 months, so I can’t get too specific about layout and placement. My room will be about 20’9” x 15’8” with a vaulted ceiling and two openings to the room. The room will be about 4000 cu-ft.

The following is a list of amps I would like to audition. As I see it, I have two choices for my 7.1 system:

1. Buy a 200w x 7 amp.

2. Buy a 200w x 2 (for the Studio 100s) and buy a less powerful 5 channel amp for the center and the surrounds.

Which option would your recommend? Why?

Here are the amp choices:

Outlaw 770 (200 x 7)

Sherbourn 2/2100 Used (200 x 7)

Anthem MCA20 (225 x 2) and the MCA50 (225 x 5) bought in Canada with the exchange rate and discount.

B&K 200.2 Used (200 x 7)

Parasound HCA-1500A (205 x 2) and the HCA-1205 (140 x 5)

Parasound Halo Used A21 (250 x 2) and the A52 (125 x 5)

Adcom GFA-550 (200 x 2) and the GFA 7605 (125 x 5)

Aragon 2007 Used (200 x 7)

Sunfire Cinema 7 Used (200 x 7)

ATI AT2007 (200 x 7)

So if anybody can give me some information that would narrow my choices I would appreciate it! Right now I’m leaning towards the Anthem and the Parasound “Classic” line.

Thanks,
James

[Chu Gai]

I think given the room, and i'm hoping you're thinking along the lines of working the room's acoustics, you're underpowered. I'd look to double the front power and then maybe a 5 channel/200 watter for the rest.

[Ricky T]

James,

Since you listen to so much 2 channel, the ideal classic parasound option is the 2200II dual-mono 250x2 (800 used) for the mains and the 2003A 220x3 (700 used) for the center and rears. Let the Sony drive your two rear centers, which are dual-mono in 6.1 modes and won't even be activated for 5.1 SACD (worry about a 2 channel amp when/if you get a prepro).

Another classic Parasound option is the 2205A 220x5 (~ 1300 used) for your front 5 speakers.

[Khoa Tran]

I urge you to give NAD a look, their sound is very warm...

[Lee-M]

Your Paradigms are already warm, so I would not go for a particularly "warm-sounding" amp. Neutral to even slightly bright would synergize better with your speakers...

Of the amps you listed, I would tend toward the Sherbourn, Parasound, or Aragon. They all have their high points, but if your speaker cable is stiff, or terminated with large spades, you might avoid the Parasound... I had to eliminate it because the spacing between the speaker terminals was too tight.

Good luck, and if you can possibly audition any of these with your system, their will be fewer surprises down the road.

[Ricky T]

Lee,

Was your problem with a particular parasound amp model? I use spades fine with the 2200II.

The Aragon 200X series are pretty much rebadged Acurus amps.

[Scott Oliver]

James, if you are listening 75% of the time to music, have you thought about possibly adding a 2 channels preamp/amp or to keep costs down a 2 channel integrated.

I think Chu is right that you should look for quite a bit of power for that size room. 200 should be plenty could probably get by with a bit less though.

Here are some integrated amps that are selling used in the $1000-2000 range on Audiogon right now that put out a good amount of power: (Notice there are aren't many however as most integrateds are 100W or less)

Krell KAV i or KAV il(newest version)

Plinius 8200

McIntosh MA-6500

Musical Fidelity A300

These all can put out 150Wx2 or 200Wx2 in some cases into an 8 ohm load. Some also have a phono stage option which you would probably be interested in if you are getting a Rega table. Further more some have a home theater bypass to make conncetion to the receiver as simple as possible.

But personally, I think going this route could give you better sound all around for music then just adding a multichannel amp. Of course you would still be using the receivers amps to drive your surrounds and center, but you would also be elimating the strain of having to drive the fronts on its power supply.

BTW, of those four the Plinius would be my top choice as it has all the options, great sound, and can drive 175 watts. Krell would be next choice.

[Kevin_R_H]

Hello James.

I agree with Scott. My advice is to spend your cash on a 2-channel amp. Let your SONY receiver power all auxillary speakers when watching movies, but the plan should be to not let it anywhere near your 2-channel enjoyment.

Therefore, you will need a stereo power amp and a stereo preamp (or a high quality integrated amp). If you want separates, and can only afford one at this time, go ahead and buy the power amp now, and add the stereo preamp as you get the funds. The SONY receiver will (unfortunately) have to suffice as a preamp until then. Eventually, you will hook your turntable and CD player directly into the stereo preamp (bypassing the evil SONY). I don't know why so many folks overlook the importance of the preamp when listening to music.

So, in essence, I'm suggesting an . In my main system, my integrated HT amp/processor cost $500, while my total system cost is over $30,000. Its role is simply to power speakers that are reproducing sound effects and dialog. You don't need to spend $1,000 to find many amps that can do this well. After all, you're not asking them to reproduce any of the subtlties/nuances of top-quality music reproduction.

Reproducing music to an audiophile level is a very challenging task. But if you are watching a movie, and your surround speakers make a Camaro engine sound like a Mustang as it speeds away, I seriously doubt anyone will notice. And I guarantee it won't diminish your enjoyment of the movie - it's not central to the task at hand. If soneone's mowing the grass in the distance, and your surrounds make this Lawn-Boy mower sound like a Honda, are you really going to care?

As long as the amps and speakers providing sounds for the Surrounds and Center match together well, and can play to a reasonably loud level without distortion/clipping, you will be fine. After all, your mega-buck mains will be carrying most of the load for movies anyway.

Spend your cash on 2-channel, and since they are the foundations of your HT, it will be improved as well. But your stereo system will not be compromised. As to which stereo amp to buy, I cannot advise you, as I have never heard your speakers, and would not know which of the amps you are considering would best match up with them in your Listening Room. Although, on the surface, it seems the amps you are considering are the typical ones espoused on this (and other) HT sites. My advice is to open your mind to more "audio" based amps. In addition to Scott's list, Audiogon also has the following amps for sale:

795 Conrad-Johnson MF-200 (Store Demo)
1,500 Belles 150A (New)
2,900 Pass Labs X150 (Store Demo)
1,500 YBA Integre' DT (Used Integrated)
1,500 Threshold ta300 (Used)
1,600 Ayre V-3 (Used)
1,500 Plinius 8150i (Used Integrated w/ Phono)

Personally, I would pick the Threshold. Good luck to you,
Kevin

[Lee-M]

Ricky,

It was the Parasound 1205 that had the terminals spaced too closely together; my spades are Kimber Postmasters, attached to Kimber 4TC cable. I contacted Parasound with this information, and they recommended not using these spades with their amp, because of the close spacing... they said there was too much of a possibility of them shorting out.

I wasn't about to have my cables re-terminated, so I went with a different amp.

[james e m]

Thanks for all the information guys I really appreciate it! I'm really learning a lot. I think I'm going to try and do a little more research into the more audio oriented amps you guys listed. Although, I do want my front to well matched my surrounds and my center channel. Eventually, I would like to have a dedicated 2 channel set up with maybe some tubes, but that will come at a later date.

Ok so I went to a couple dealers (more to follow tomorrow) and based on what I saw there I have two options if I went with a dealer. I can get a:

1. A Rotel RMB 1080 (2 x 200) and a Rotel RMB 1075 (5 x 120) for just under $2,000 new.

So with the Rotel I will be getting brand new product with a warmer sound, but I will only have 120 watts powering my center and 4 surrounds. Do you think this will be adequate Chu?


2. A Demo Anthem MCA 2 (2 x 200) and A Demo Anthem MCA 5 (2 x 200) with a full warranty for under $1400. These are the older Anthem amps, not the MCA 20 and MCA 50.

With the Anthem I will be getting an older demo product with neutral sound with full warranty.

Which of these two options seems to be the better option? I may be leaning towards the Rotel, but I don't know. Opinions please!

Tomorrow I will be going to a couple other dealers and I will be getting the pricing on the new Anthem MCA20 and the MCA50.

Thanks,
James

[James Elvick]

Any one around here know I've has a few different amps :b Right Ricky!

Anyway, just got the Sherbourn 7/2100 and it is killer!! I sold my Parasound and this is everything the Parasound was with less upper