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Old 08-27-2007, 11:19 PM   #1 of 33
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New Nikon D300 or used D200?


Nikon just announced the new D300 (as well as the D3) to be released in November. I didn't really see a ton of important differences between the D300's specs and the D200's, so I'm thinking it might be better to buy a pre-owned (or new discontinued stock) D200 for around $1,000 instead of a new D300 for $1,800. Thoughts?

The D3 and its full-frame sensor look sweet but $5k is a lot to drop on a digital camera (unless you're a pro). I'm a bit surprised that new Nikon's flagship SLR offers 9 MP less than Canon's 1D Mk III.
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Old 08-28-2007, 05:40 PM   #2 of 33
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Re: New Nikon D300 or used D200?


I would probably just get an excellent condition D200 for much less, if I were you. I doubt there's all that much in the new D300 that's both worth the extra $$$ and the extra wait. If you go for the D300, you'll first probably want to wait out any initial production problems before buying unless you're the adventurous type (like me perhaps ). Even if you don't wait, it might be very hard to get your hands on one for the first couple months if not longer. Heck, even the D200 continued to be regularly out of stock at most reputable dealers for over a year after its initial release -- and the same seems to happen w/ most Nikon DSLRs other than their entry level D50/D40/D40x line. If you really do want to get it at initial release, you might need to try superstores by phone (or online) like Circuit City or Best Buy as they seem to be able to stock sizeable batches even early on -- though they don't usually last more than a couple days or so. That's how I bought my D200 at the initial release date.

Save the $$$ on the body and put it towards more/better glass. And then, maybe wait until Nikon eventually puts out a full frame semi-pro body before jumping on that for the higher price, if you want FF. I'll probably just stick w/ my D200 until Nikon does that.

RE: the MP count for the D3, well, it's not *that* surprising. They were never competing for MP count in that market segment before anyway. Besides, this D3 might well be more like a D3h w/ a possible D3x (w/ higher MP count) to come later. It sounds more like a competitor for the Canon 1.3x crop 1D line than the FF 1Ds line so far. The only thing missing is the "h" at the end.

Anyway, the final offical announcement of a FF Nikon body makes me less interested in buying another APS-crop lens now -- well, certainly nothing expensive anyhow. Will have to see. Might be nice to save up for that newly announced 14-24 f/2.8 for instance.

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Old 08-28-2007, 06:10 PM   #3 of 33
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Re: New Nikon D300 or used D200?


I will say this about the D300 though. It sure looks like a bigger upgrade than what Canon puts out in these prosumer/semi-pro bodies. I'm slightly skeptical, but it sounds like the D300's AF system will be pretty much identical to the D3's new MultiCAM 3500 AF system (minus the more powerful AF motor for non-AFS lenses), including 15 cross-type AF points. The D200's AF system is quite similar to the D2 series pro bodies, but it only has 1 cross-type AF point (in the center). This can matter if you shoot sports/action (or even street photography) often in lower lighting -- and they've also bumped up the frame rate for this purpose too. If you don't do this, then there's probably very little reason to jump for the D300 over the D200 (assuming you can save a good deal of $$$ of course).

Well, there does seem to be a few other nice features, including the new live view mode, but those things don't interest me as much. I guess there's also the remote possibility that the new 12MP CMOS sensor will yield cleaner/less grainy images or provide higher DR, but any significant improvements there seem doubtful to me.

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Old 08-28-2007, 09:16 PM   #4 of 33
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Re: New Nikon D300 or used D200?


Well, at least you managed to squeeeeeeze something to do with image quality in there, finally....







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Old 08-29-2007, 11:50 AM   #5 of 33
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Re: New Nikon D300 or used D200?


definently the new one!
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Old 09-02-2007, 10:58 PM   #6 of 33
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Re: New Nikon D300 or used D200?


Does the D300 have any auto mode like the D50/70/80 or is it fully manual like the D200?
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Old 09-03-2007, 02:16 AM   #7 of 33
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Re: New Nikon D300 or used D200?


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Does the D300 have any auto mode like the D50/70/80 or is it fully manual like the D200?
My D200 has an auto mode too.

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Old 09-03-2007, 07:18 AM   #8 of 33
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Re: New Nikon D300 or used D200?


The problem at the moment is that nobody really knows how the D300 will perform. The single biggest factor for me will be the high ISO performance. It seems Nikon have finally realised that high ISO is important and that their customers deserve much better than what the D200 and D2Xs can currently deliver. ISO 6400 at f/1.4 = wedding ceremony nirvana.

Screenshots of the D3's high-iso performance so far look fabulous (as in, 1d MK III fabulous at least). I can't see the D300 reaching quite those heights, but then again there's no reason why not as the Canon has a similar sensor size.

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I didn't really see a ton of important differences between the D300's specs and the D200's

Suppose it depends what is importat to you, but the D300 specs that made me go all warm and fuzzy are:

Increase in resolution to 12mp
14bit raw files
Self-cleaning sensor
51 point AF system with 15 cross-type viewfinder sensors
Increased frame rate to 8fps (with extra battery grip)
100% viewfinder
Fantastic new 3" LCD screen

This is no minor upgrade. However the D3 is what I really want, though the cost and cost of replacing the couple of expensive DX lenses I have puts me off considerably (yeah I know the D3 will with with DX lenses but it's useable rather than desirable).

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Does the D300 have any auto mode like the D50/70/80 or is it fully manual like the D200?

The D200 and D300 have a 'P' mode which is automatic but with the ability to override the important settings if required. Far more useful than the 'dummy' auto mode.



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Old 09-03-2007, 08:25 AM   #9 of 33
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The D200 and D300 have a 'P' mode which is automatic but with the ability to override the important settings if required. Far more useful than the 'dummy' auto mode.

That's ok. I think that's as much auto as I'd need. Except that even in P mode I find my D50 stuborn with my crappy old film slr add-on flash. In auto my D50 works better with the flash. Anyhow, that's cool. Too bad the D300 is way outa my price range right now. I was thinking of the D80 instead.

Why the heck do these camera's still use compact flash?? Why?
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