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Old 03-10-2003, 11:04 AM   #91 of 967
Jonathan DA
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Hey Mike, did you already order your Dazian cloth? I was just reading this thread over at AVS and noted that this cloth seems primarily suited to people who are looking for an acoustically transparent screen that will not be used against a wall. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that doesn't sound like your installation. Are you sure this is the best material for you?
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Old 03-10-2003, 05:04 PM   #92 of 967
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I wasn't going to say anything regarding Dazian CC screens, in fear it would cause Mike to have yet another 180 degree turn, but Dr. J is absolutely correct and in fact CC screen material is designed for huge commercial theater screens such that the holes from the perforated material are much more noticeable up close than perforated screen material designed for HT use. This is also why CC screens leak a significant amount of light and frankly would have a severe impact on the PQ of Mike's Sanyo Z1 clone, which has few lumens to work with in the first place.

Still, for just $50, it may be worth at least trying it out, but considering there are far better choices for even less (blackout material and PLAS-TEX being the most obvious), that $50 may not be such a great investment.

The only reason I would even suggest considering Dazian is if all of the following were true:

1) The screen placement was such that it has to cover one or more speakers.

2) The projector being used has more than 1000 calibrated lumens.

3) The viewing distance is at least 12 feet.

4) I was unable to find a perforated screen specifically for HT use for less than $250.

Mike, I admire your tenacity and 'seize the day' mentality. Its refreshing to see someone who doesn't spend eternity always on the fence infinitely contemplating and evaluating decisions - and therefore unable to make any.

On the other hand it may quite possibly be that you have swung to the opposite side of the extreme and as such are pulling the trigger too fast on all these HT decisions before you have had a reasonable chance for evaluating the impact.
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Old 03-10-2003, 08:13 PM   #93 of 967
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Well, looks like my L300U shipped and I didn't even know it. It should arrive on the 13th!

Chad Anson: thank you for your kind offer to demo your PJ for my wife and me. I appreciate it, but at this point we'll have ours before we could schedule anything anyway.
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Old 03-11-2003, 12:07 AM   #94 of 967
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Jeff,
No problem, hope you enjoy it! Do you have a screen yet? I'm going to build a frame but order Da-lite screen material (HCCV to be more precise). The material is a little more expensive than some of the DIY materials, but not unreasonably so (~ $4.50/sq. ft.)
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Old 03-11-2003, 07:41 AM   #95 of 967
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I ultimately want to build a fixed screen in a dedicated room, but current we have to use a pull-down in front of a window in the living room for now. I'm using Da-Lite Matte White.
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Old 03-12-2003, 01:11 PM   #96 of 967
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Dr. J and Nils,

Thanks for the replies and comments.
I was out for a while since we have an new little baby girl to the addition to our family, but we brought her home yesterday .

But as for the Dazian material I did check all the info out on AVS.com and I personally PM'ed some people that have or used the Dazian material that I would be interested in and they had nothing but great comments on it. One person whom I chatted with and exchanged e-mails owns it and runs an z1 (I have an 1HD) and claims that all he did was run an black felt cloth behind the screen and it was great looking. The person was very nice and even sent spme snap shots of it in action and the colors as he even stated were pretty nice and claims its much more brigher in person. Here they are:

http://us.f148.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Sho...&view=a&head=b

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http://us.f148.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Sho...&view=a&head=b



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Old 03-12-2003, 03:46 PM   #97 of 967
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Mike,

A couple important things to keep in mind.

Screen shots are practically useless and very misleading as they tell more about the photographer and the camera and almost nothing regarding the image quality of a projector and/or screen. I can promise you that if you gave me two different cameras and I used them to take a photo of the exact same screen shot - they would not look identical. Not only that, but when looking at screen shots you are adding even more variables (different lighting, screens, equipment). Screen shots are more like eye candy and using them to evaluate the performance of a projector, screen, etc would be extremely risky.

The other thing to keep in mind is that while these forums can offer some seriously valuable information and advice, unfortunately there are far too many messages from people with very little experience and yet will gladly offer reviews how "spectacular" their equipment is. I would bet that the far majority of those types of posts are not intended to mislead anyone, but rather they are from people who have not compared their equipment to many other similar products.

For instance if someone had Bose speakers and had not compared them to many if any other speakers, then I have no doubt they would feel comfortable about posting a highly positive review of them. Of course we all know better than to use "Bose" and "quality speaker" in the same sentence, but that's because we have compared them to others.

It is no different than these posters claiming that the Dazian CC screen is fantastic. In the fact that that is what they are using and haven't compared them to other screen material then I can understand their sentiment.

BOTTOM LINE: Mike, by all means, make yourself a Dazian CC screen and as long as you never compare it to another screen while you own it, I suppose you will be satisfied, but if you do and are disappointed with the Dazian - just remember we all tried to warn you.
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Old 03-12-2003, 04:00 PM   #98 of 967
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Hey Nils, I think it's time to update your .sig for St. Patrick's Day. Let's see the little one with a pint!
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Old 03-12-2003, 04:04 PM   #99 of 967
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I'm not getting the Dazian CC myself, but came across the following that might be helpful

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use black velvet backing behind Dacian Celtic
Hi folks,
I just recently switched from blackout fabric to the Dazian Celtic cloth. I use screen door bug screen channel mounted on the back of my frame to attach the screen material with...makes it easy to tighten and change materials...I have an older (pre-1990) Runco CRT projector.

Celtic cloth with no backing - frame supports are visible through screen, colors are somewhat washed out

Celtic cloth with blackout cloth backing - color still washed out but better than no backing, some bright spots, overall picture better than just the blackout fabric as a screen

Celtic cloth with black velvet backing - vibrant colors with sharp contrasts, black is very black, picture is much better than the blackout cloth

I did not even have to stretch the black velvet fabric tightly behind it...imperfections in the velvet (ripples, etc.) are not noticeable in the screen picture.

The picture color and contrast changed so much this way, that I had to dig out the old Avia DVD and readjust everything. I am very pleased with the result...try it yourself



You could probably get a sample for free from Dazian.
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Old 03-12-2003, 07:31 PM   #100 of 967
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<--- biting my tongue

Chad, I don't know who authored that message you quoted regarding using black velvet backing to a CC screen and witnessed improved "vibrant colors", but he/she is either pulling some serious legs or sniffed to much adhesive prior to posting that message.

Come on peeps, you are starting to worry me... Is it that hard to understand why CC material makes for lousy HT screens? I mean to think that someone is suggesting putting a backing on a perforated screen defeats the only advantage this screen has to begin with. Oh my, someone stop the insanity!
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Old 03-12-2003, 07:35 PM   #101 of 967
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(working on it Jonathan) lol


How's this?

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This is what happens when the dads host play groups.
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