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Old 01-04-2002, 01:15 PM   #31 of 194
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Mike, what's with the thread fart?

Are you a musician? Have you ever studied music? Do you have any comprehension of the melodic and harmonic genius that is Lennon & McCartney?

Have you ever heard the following albums:

George Harrison: All Things Must Pass
John Lennon: Plastic Ono Band
Paul McCartney & Wings: Band On The Run



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Old 01-04-2002, 01:19 PM   #32 of 194
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"Surely you must realize the influence they had on music during and after their run. Actually, it went way, way beyond music. If you ever watched "It's A Wonderful Life" think of it this way... We would all be living in Pottersville if it weren't for the Beatles." John

Hmmmm interesting turn in the thread here...but I'm sure that it wouldn't have been as vapid a music culture without the Beatles. Your comment does give me a chill, thinking that we could have been beset with a Dave Clark Five World. Now that would be something to worry about !!! At least Dave Clark knew his destiny lay in real estate..and the World was spared !

There were other, more powerful forces afoot, even bigger that the Beatles, that they themselves were influenced by.
I'm sure we all know who and what they were....US R & B, to name just one. It might have taken a little longer, but we still would have gotten there, is my point. And there was NOTHING, even no Beatles, to hold that back !
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Old 01-04-2002, 01:47 PM   #33 of 194
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the Rolling Stones were the complete antithesis of what the Beatles were all about
Really? Who wrote ths Stones first hit single?
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Looking at their musical background and what THEY listened to growing up in their respective homes and in the bomb shelters...it was the music of the day...vaudeville, crooners, music hall and Skiffle. It wasn't until they were older, that they got ahold of those 78's from the US and learned to Rock! Paul's father was a dance band leader. Enough said ?
Enough said indeed. Thanks for clearing up the fact that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
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Old 01-04-2002, 04:50 PM   #34 of 194
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"Who wrote ths Stones first hit single?" RicP


Technically, their first hit single release was in the UK...
"Come On" by Chuck Berry bw. "I Want To Be Loved" by Wilie Dixon...but I'm guessing you don't mean this at all, do you ?

Sorry to disappoint, but "I Wanna Be Your Man" by Lennon/
McCartney bw. "Stoned" by Nanker Phelge, was their second UK official single...and their second single release ever, anywhere, and not until some six months later than "Come On".

Between the "Come On" and "I Wanna Be Your Man" UK singles, there were three compilation releases and one EP release.
"I Wanna Be Your Man" was on the "Ready, Steady, Go" UK compilation album....that's right, with "Come On".

Now "I Wanna Be Your Man" bw. "Stoned" was released as a promo only in the US around the same time as the official UK release of "Come On", but ONLY as a promo, in a limited pressing of 500...not as an official release for consumers.

Their first US official single release, of ANYTHING, wasn't until March '64 and that was "Not Fade Away" by Petty & Hardin bw. "I Wanna Be Your Man" Lennon/McCartney.

Don't tell me...all of this means nothing to your question, right ?

If you need any more help, just ask me.


GEeeeeesch !
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Old 01-04-2002, 04:57 PM   #35 of 194
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On another subject...interesting thing about how some bands are "guy" groups and some are "girl" groups, regarding appeal...the Beatles have a really strong, almost fanatically so, "guy" following.

Hence, when one invokes the words "Yoko Ono" in just a hushed whisper anywhere, in the middle of a desert...it hits the "guy" fans like a Thunderbolt, and the sound of one hand clapping is overcome by a thunderous uproar likened to a hydrogen bomb.


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Old 01-04-2002, 05:21 PM   #36 of 194
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The best track from the record is "I Feel Fine" IMO, but as a whole, BFS would have to be the weakest of the studio albums.
I'm going to assume you're referring to the US vinyl version of BFS, because IIRC, "I Feel Fine" was a non-album single. Sorry, I grew up in the CD era, so my familiarity with the American vinyl is minimal. I agree, though: "I Feel Fine" is a pretty cool song; dunno if it's the first use of feedback like Lennon always said, but it's a great rocker either way.

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Let's face it, some record has to be last on the list, and I feel that this one is it. What about you?
My choice for "worse Beatles album" would have to be Let It Be. While there are a few great songs on there, the record just feels to lackluster to me, for a number of reasons:

1) I listened to LIB again recently and noticed how sloppy and unenthusiastic the instrumentation was. "I've Got a Feeling" and "I Me Mine" are good examples of this. A lot of the music doesn't really sound like the Beatles to me; it sounds more like John, Paul or George singing lead while a trio of somewhat incompetent session players back him up.

2) A friend of mine has a massive 10-disc box set containing many outtakes, demos and alternate takes from the LIB sessions, and from the stuff I've listened to, there was a lot of great material that could've been put on the album instead of the more filler-like official tracks ("Dig It," "The One After 909," "Maggie May," etc.). Even some of the tracks on Anthology 3 were superior to what was on LIB.

3) Another reason I'm not a big fan of LIB is because of the somewhat hypocritical nature of the album. This record was advertised as an album that was just like their earliest material, which meant no overdubs, among other things. There's nothing wrong with going back to your musical roots, but don't ignore the concept by hiring Mr. Wall-of-Sound himself, Phil Spector, to work on some of the tracks. The unaltered version of "The Long and Winding Road" (on Anthology 3) is vastly superior, and should have been on the original album.

4) Additionally, I like the single versions of "Let It Be" and "Get Back" more than their album counterparts. That's not really a criticism, just a personal preference.

5) Finally, I kind of wish the band had used the original cover for the album: an updated version of the Please Please Me cover. Just would've given a nice visual sense of closure to their career.

Don't get me wrong though. I don't hate Let It Be; for all the problems I have with it, it's a pretty good listen. And in the Beatles universe, "worse" translates into "better than some people's best." Considering how fractured the group's relationships with each other were at the time, it's a miracle this album even got released. I just prefer to think of Abbey Road as their "true" final album and view LIB as an interesting experiment.

Ah, thanks for letting me know about the McLachlan cover. With a voice like hers and great source material like "Blackbird," it'd pretty hard to screw it up. Nice to know she did a great job.

BTW: I asked this question in the "signature song" thread but didn't get a response, so I'll ask again. Ric, where did you get that drawing of the Beatles that is on your sig file?



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Old 01-04-2002, 05:42 PM   #37 of 194
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Kevin, while I share your blah blah opionion of the "Let It Be" album, any and all the songs on that album is superior to:

"I'll Follow The Sun"
"Every Little Thing"
"I Don't Want To Spoil The Party" *
"Mr. Moonlight"



* My pick for the single worst Beatles song ever.



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Old 01-04-2002, 06:08 PM   #38 of 194
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quote from mike broadman:
"I must say, I never understood the appeal of the White Album. It's experimental, but the experiments aren't particularly musical, just, I dunno, annoying."

i agree. i think that album is over rated. there are some great songs on it..."dear prudence" is probably my favorite.

"revolver" is DEFINITELY my favorite album. then after that i like all of them upto revolver in no particular order. they all have great songs. from sgt. pepper on i have no particular fave, though once again they all contain some great tunes.
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Old 01-04-2002, 06:21 PM   #39 of 194
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I can't stand their earlier stuff; it's more relevant because of its history. I mean, really, is there anything interesting in "I Wanna Hold Your Hand?"
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I'm sorry I have to repond to that. Sure it has historical value, comparing all the pop that came out of America at the same time. I used to think like you, making there early stuff seem so insfantile compared to the later stuff like strawberry fields. But I have changed my opnion on that and consider songs like:
She Loves You
I want to hold your hand
I saw her standing there

I would put those three songs up against anything else they had written as being their finest work. The recordings were raw, and electric. The lyrics weren't so personal, but they are still enjoyable to listen and represent. It was dynamic, amazing they could create those recordings out of just the few basic instruments they played at the time.
If you can listen to the session tracks for ISHST, you might change your ind about the early stuff. They were playing live in the studio and playing their hearts out.

I do like all their later studio work, but I would never dismiss their early material. And as for their musical influences, the one thread was a little off. If you read all the official sources, they (J P and G) did not get into playing music seriously until Elvis came on the scene. If there was an influence that started them on the road, it was him.
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Old 01-04-2002, 06:36 PM   #40 of 194
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i started listening to the beatles about four years ago. my friend had a mix tape he made and brought to work.

i tell ya i listened to that tape every night...it started driving everyone crazy!

i don't have a really big collection...just some of their greatest hits compilations. but i often find myself listening to them. i would definitely consider them for my d.i.d list.

i'm glad i've had the opportunity to listen to and appreciate all that these guys have done. i always promote them to whomever i can now.



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Old 01-04-2002, 08:51 PM   #41 of 194
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Revolver is highly overrated!

My three favorite Beatles albums:

Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
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Abbey Road

Sgt. Pepper is my absolute favorite, with the White Album nipping at its heels.

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Old 01-04-2002, 09:48 PM   #42 of 194