Pink Floyd

Jason L. · 01-07-2003, 02:01 AM

I am looking for some opinions from people who were around when Pink Floyd was in their prime, specifically the Big 4 albums [Dark Side of The Moon, Wish You Were Here, Animals, The Wall].

I am 31, and have only recently delved into their work. I was too young to be there during this period. I barely remember The Wall. I never got into their music at the time, because I always thought it was "stoner music".

Listening to it now, the one thing I can't figure out is: How did they ever become commercially popular? I am not talking about the quality of the music. Their music is so introspective and thought-provoking that I can't imagine how it ever became commercially popular. Most of their songs are complicated, dark, and depressing. Sure, they have a few "Top 40" songs such as Money, Comfortably Numb, Another Brick in the Wall, etc. But these songs are definitely in the minority.

This has continued to confuse me, especially since this apprarently was the time when "Corporate Rock" began.

Was it the drugs? Enlighten me.

Eve T · 01-07-2003, 02:06 AM

I'm not a Pink Floyd fan but.....

You might get more responses in the music area.

andrew markworthy · 01-07-2003, 03:31 AM

Jason, I guess this thread will get moved to the Music Area, but I may as well attempt a response before it gets there.

You've got to see PF in their historical context. At the time, pop music was divided into bubblegum pop (principally aimed at younger teenage girls), very middle of the road stuff, and sturm und drang heavy metal (Led Zep et al) with typically very braindead lyrics. PF and similar 'progressive rock' groups like Genesis, Greenslade, Yes, etc (plus Mike Oldfield, Tangerine Dream et al) offered a rather more cerebral alternative. They became hugely popular with students as a result. If you were flattering yourself that you're an intellectual, listening to the music of PF, Genesis et al was in effect a sign of this without appearing desperately uncool by listening to classical music. I thus suspect that in some cases, people bought the albums as a fashion statement (but this is no more true that students in later cohorts who bought stuff by the Smiths and similar). In addition, prog rock arrived at about the time that reasonably good hi-fi (and headphones) was becoming available at a cheap price (it was the era of the 'music centre' if you remember those hideous things). Prog rock was considered ideal for showing off its virtues. Oh yes, and it's nigh-on impossible to dance to most prog rock, so a lot of very introverted students liked it.

On top of this, the tunes were often good, the lyrics slightly better than average (certainly well above the typical stuff in the singles chart), and the musical structures rather more demanding than the basic four to the floor. This all appealed *at the time*. Later cohorts found new areas of appeal. Speaking personally, I like some of these, but none will ever match my liking for prog rock because that was the first thing that appealed. I guess the same will be true for every cohort - your first musical likings will nearly always remain your fondest.

And contrary to what you might think, 70s students were not all on drugs (I certainly wasn't).

Cees Alons · 01-07-2003, 04:46 AM

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Jason, I guess this thread will get moved to the Music Area..

Yep.

Cees

Justin Lane · 01-07-2003, 07:41 AM

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I never got into their music at the time, because I always thought it was "stoner music".

This line has got me cracking up, because at least in my experience, friends that I have who I would call "stoners" love Floyd. That is not to say Floyd has an exclusivity with drug users, but I think that helped them gain popularity in a counter culture sort of way at the time. Rock Music in general that is hugely popular seems to always involve topics that buck the current mainstream trends, whether those people who support the music outright support the trends they are trying to buck or not.

J

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Philip Hamm · 01-07-2003, 08:28 AM

Pink Floyd started in the 60s as a drug band, bigtime.

If you like the depth of PF lyrics, pick up "The Final Cut". It's one of my personal favorite PF albums.

If you like thoughtful lyrics, seek out the music of Bruce Cockburn.

Jack Gilvey · 01-07-2003, 10:08 AM

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If you like the depth of PF lyrics, pick up "The Final Cut". It's one of my personal favorite PF albums.

It's my favorite, actually. Most Floyd fans I've met don't really like it, devoid of "hits" as it is. I consider it a Waters solo work...a very good thing.

Sheldon · 01-07-2003, 10:23 AM

I have a big PF fan for many years and I just find that their music style and lyrics tell a story unlike most,if not all,of today's music.Gilmour and Waters are fantastic story tellers that force you to listen to what they have to say.I picked up Water's In The Flesh DVD and I found it to be amazing...I also picked up Gilmour's latest DVD and although it is very different than what I expected,I found it to be equally as good.Gilmours guitar work is still as haunting as ever.I just wish that the two of them would reunite for I think that their is still plenty for the two of them to write about.

Dave Poehlman · 01-07-2003, 10:48 AM

I think part of their popularity was that they were so mysterious. I remember as a kid that no one really was sure what they looked like. Here's a band who's "Dark Side Of The Moon" album held the record, I believe, for selling the most copies (until broken by Michael Jackson's Thriller) and they could walk down a public street and not get noticed. Pretty amazing, really.

And the music was good, too.

Larry Geller · 01-07-2003, 01:20 PM

They were strictly a cult band until the day Dark Side Of The Moon was released. Then, everything changed completely. It was played non-stop on FM radio & then people started delving into back catalog (aided by the release of A Nice Pair the following year, which restored their first 2 out of print LPs to the catalog). From this point on they became huge.

Dave Morton · 01-07-2003, 02:34 PM

My personal favorite is Animals. I think the songs and lyrics work on many different levels.

I never understood the term "stoner music". I'm certainly not a stoner, but I do like music with some "groove" and long guitar solos, etc.

Justin Lane · 01-07-2003, 02:54 PM

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I never understood the term "stoner music".

The song Comfortably Numb. Enough said.

Though I have never been to a Floyd concert, from everyone I know who has gone, it was described as a grass fest if you know what I mean. I guess if you never went to one of their concerts, and only experienced them through their records and radio you might not have a great understanding of their whole scene, but initially and I suppose still today to some extent, they are a "stoner" group.

J