Is Sony Abandoning SACD? - Page 3

Danny Tse · 07-25-2006, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by AricB

so is on an island, a SACD over there? or am i misunderstanding your post?

It's just a regular CD in a leather-bound case over there.

AricB · 07-25-2006, 02:43 PM

oh, thanks. i got excited for a second...

Rachael B · 07-30-2006, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Christopher_G

Sony still has SACD players in their current product lineup to play the soon to be approximately 4,000 SACD titles so abandoning isn't the correct term. If SACD started selling by some miracle, then I am certain Sony would release more music. As pitiful as the sales are now, I don't expect many new titles from Sony, although we should see some.

Chris

I haven't believed Sony was serious about releasing SA-CD's since 2003! Can you say "token"?

"...eddie are you kidding..." Yes, Yes! When I first saw the new SACD's I was impressed, but eddie do they come in my size, a 714-portly....

Sony Music couldn't smash PCM with non-hybrid discs, so they don't care about the bloody format. Next, they'll try to use Blu-way to establish another hi-rez format that they won't suppourt very well either and where discs will cost atleast $20. I hope HD-DVD kicks their posteriors back to Tokyo and London or into the waste disposal at that big chicken farm in Arkansas. Whatever Sony is for at this point, I am against. They've earned my displeasure in the last decade, especially the last few years. It seems like they've never been the same since the founder passed away.

I'm abandoning Sony!!!! I don't care if they do or don't make Sack-Dee's at this point. I may buy an occasional Mofi or GrooveNote SA-CD or even an occasional classical disc as they trickkle out but I'm mostly done with SA-CD. Unless some kind of Renissaunce happens, now I'm getting silly, unrealistic, and out of my head....ain't gonna happen, but if it does, I'll listen.

Sony keeps proving to me that they're no kind of big dog fit to lead. You can't lead when all ya do is fight with the pack.....

Chris Gerhard · 07-31-2006, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Rachael B

I haven't believed Sony was serious about releasing SA-CD's since 2003! Can you say "token"?

"...eddie are you kidding..." Yes, Yes! When I first saw the new SACD's I was impressed, but eddie do they come in my size, a 714-portly....

Sony Music couldn't smash PCM with non-hybrid discs, so they don't care about the bloody format. Next, they'll try to use Blu-way to establish another hi-rez format that they won't suppourt very well either and where discs will cost atleast $20. I hope HD-DVD kicks their posteriors back to Tokyo and London or into the waste disposal at that big chicken farm in Arkansas. Whatever Sony is for at this point, I am against. They've earned my displeasure in the last decade, especially the last few years. It seems like they've never been the same since the founder passed away.

I'm abandoning Sony!!!! I don't care if they do or don't make Sack-Dee's at this point. I may buy an occasional Mofi or GrooveNote SA-CD or even an occasional classical disc as they trickkle out but I'm mostly done with SA-CD. Unless some kind of Renissaunce happens, now I'm getting silly, unrealistic, and out of my head....ain't gonna happen, but if it does, I'll listen.

Sony keeps proving to me that they're no kind of big dog fit to lead. You can't lead when all ya do is fight with the pack.....

Rachel, I think it is really simple and I believe hybrid SACD requires a price point for profitability that won't work in the marketplace. I don't like single layer SACD, although I own about a dozen of them. I hope Blu-ray quickly improves and succeeds, but I don't know that will happen.

Chris

Jeff_A · 07-31-2006, 08:22 AM

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...Sony keeps proving to me that they're no kind of big dog fit to lead. You can't lead when all ya do is fight with the pack.....

Rachael B · 07-31-2006, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Christopher_G

Rachel, I think it is really simple and I believe hybrid SACD requires a price point for profitability that won't work in the marketplace....

I believe the bIG 4's pricing is arbitrary, capricious, and is divorced from market realities. In other words, I believe they could sell music at prices that the market would bear but won't.

Brian-W · 07-31-2006, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rachael B

I believe the bIG 4's pricing is arbitrary, capricious, and is divorced from market realities. In other words, I believe they could sell music at prices that the market would bear but won't.

Bingo.

Also, SACD could have taken the market by storm, been the de-facto standard had Sony implemented and produced hybrids from day 1. Sony wasn't even the first company to produce a hybrid, pretty pathetic if you ask me.

And with Sony mastering all of their library to DSD, why they aren't issuing *every* new release (CD) as a SACD hybrid, beyond me. I don't mind if they're multi-channel or stereo only. You have to invest money to make money, especially when you're controlling the format.

Chris Gerhard · 07-31-2006, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian-W

Bingo.

Also, SACD could have taken the market by storm, been the de-facto standard had Sony implemented and produced hybrids from day 1. Sony wasn't even the first company to produce a hybrid, pretty pathetic if you ask me.

And with Sony mastering all of their library to DSD, why they aren't issuing *every* new release (CD) as a SACD hybrid, beyond me. I don't mind if they're multi-channel or stereo only. You have to invest money to make money, especially when you're controlling the format.

I was certain the royalties and manufacturing costs are significantly greater for hybrid SACD compared to CD and the overwhelming majority of purchasers only want the CD and won't pay the higher price necessary to make hybrid SACD a success. I believe the costs are at a minimum $1.50 per disc higher on average. Greater efficiencies with mass production might make up some of the difference, but no where near all of it, if I am correct. You seem to have other information, can you point me in the right direction? Or are you just stating an opinion based on a dislike of Sony and have no real facts?

Chris

LanceJ · 07-31-2006, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Rachael B

I believe the bIG 4's pricing is arbitrary, capricious, and is divorced from market realities. In other words, I believe they could sell music at prices that the market would bear but won't.

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And with Sony mastering all of their library to DSD, why they aren't issuing *every* new release (CD) as a SACD hybrid, beyond me..........You have to invest money to make money, especially when you're controlling the format.

From what I've been reading the past few years, Sony as a corporation is barely surviving (two years ago @42% of its total profits came from its Playstation division!) so I'm pretty sure a tiny niche product with an extremley low chance of high profits is very low on its priority list.

dany · 07-31-2006, 05:49 PM

Isnt the answer is nobody else is using SACD in there players,it has to be 90% are using DVD-A.

Rachael B · 08-01-2006, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian-W

Bingo.

Also, SACD could have taken the market by storm, been the de-facto standard had Sony implemented and produced hybrids from day 1. Sony wasn't even the first company to produce a hybrid, pretty pathetic if you ask me.

And with Sony mastering all of their library to DSD, why they aren't issuing *every* new release (CD) as a SACD hybrid, beyond me. I don't mind if they're multi-channel or stereo only. You have to invest money to make money, especially when you're controlling the format.

Their magazine ads in Stereo Review, remember that moniker, yeah, way back then, '98-2000, their ads were on about the wonder of hybrid discs. I found out about hybrids in 2000 a couple of months after I got my S9000ES. I had about 5-10 of Sony's discs. I went to a local theatre meet to see a Barco with a Panny A10 player modd'd for a digital connection to some hotshot video processor. It was wicked on Fifth Element, it was a show-off title about then. On the way out, the host and I started talking about SACD and he showed me his stereo with 777ES toploader. He put in the hybrid BluesQuest sampler. He had a couple other hybrids too besides the usual Sony fare. I e-tailed my copy of BluesQuest that week, which led to a very nasty habit of such!

I got soft on Sony and high on the other labels who virtually all did bloody hybrids. It was an even bigger deal to me back then when I only had one SACD player too.

Sony Music acted like they didn't care to meet consumer expectations. It was just take our all-analog disc or P-off, oh, be sure to pay about $21.99 for it too, and kiss jack's posterior on your way out the door, "...have you seen this before...", 75 titles is enough, "...eddie are you kidding, no, no...", groovy, master, hit me again can I have another!

Whatever, Sony Electronics had in mind for SACD, either by design or ineptness, Sony Music spoil't. I wonder if Universal's advesarial role against Sony lately in the HD-disc arena is rooted is how after they geared up and did SACD, bleeding Sony virtually quit besides some token stuff? Then Sony led everybody down the Dud-Disc path to nowhere. I'm sure there's more to it than that but I wonder if it doesn't contribute...? Sony has been a leader in misleading