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Old 06-23-2006, 08:07 PM   #1 of 49
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DTS Disc Question


Saw a DTS Audio Disc which I believe is DVD Audio and the more I thought abought it the more I got confused.
My Main Disc player is a 400 disc sony which I have DTS CDs in but I know don't play DVD Audio. Will it play a DTS DVD disc?

My computer does play DVD Audio but that only comes out via analog....Does the DTS come via analog or digital. In other words to I have to decode the dts in my computer or via the preamp.
No wonder why these things don't sell.

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Old 06-23-2006, 08:26 PM   #2 of 49
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Re: DTS Disc Question


I noticed on the DTS Site that they list DTS DVD Audio Discs & DTS DVD Music Discs.
I take it the Music ones will play on a Non DVD Audio Player
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Old 06-23-2006, 09:48 PM   #3 of 49
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Re: DTS Disc Question


I think that "DTS Music Disc" is what we like to call a dtsCD. Since it's not really according to the CD specification, they can't officially call it a CD.

Won't DD and/or dts tracks on a DVD-A play in a normal DVD-V player? I don't know, but I thought they did that for compatibility.


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Old 06-23-2006, 11:33 PM   #4 of 49
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Re: DTS Disc Question


Yes they will but it sounds so so to say the least.
I bought Queen's Night at the Opera and even my wife said it sounded muffled so I sold it.

I don't think the music Discs are DVDs not CDs. I believe they had the DVD logo.

Anyone have one???



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Old 06-24-2006, 01:59 AM   #5 of 49
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Re: DTS Disc Question


AFAIK, DTS Entertainment sells surround music on these 3 formats:

1) DTS-CD/DTS Music Disc - these play on any CD player (but ONLY through its digital output) or dvd player connected to a receiver with a DTS decoder. I own the Moody's Seventh Sojourn album on DTS-CD.

These were repackaged around 2002 using a dvd-audio "super" jewel box and retitled DTS Music Discs, I think because of what Christopher said (i.e. the actual data on the disc does not conform to CD specs, even though the physical disc does). Now I'm seeing them again in regular CD jewel boxes but still with the new name.

>>> I thought any dvd player that had an onboard DTS decoder would play these through its own analog outputs (my Pioneer DV-656 does), but I've read where certain Samsung universals don't - weird.

BTW: some of their last DTS-CDs used the DTS-ES format, a 6.1 format, like Midnight Oil's Capricornia

2) dvd-video disc + CD package - a plain ol' regular dvd with DTS, DTS-ES or DTS96/24 (still lossy but has extended high frequencies) plus a stereo PCM track, usually 48kHz/24bit. I own one, LTJ Bukem's Planet Earth, downtempo/drum-n-bass music.

3) dvd-audio discs - their very early ones had Dolby Digital mixes but now they seem to exclusively contain their own proprietary formats. Many of them contain 96/24 "regular" PCM stereo tracks that 99% of all dvd players can play.

Grant: I know sound is very subjective, but if the sound you heard was muffled, it's probably because that Queen recording - the sound itself, not the mix - was never that stellar in the first place. If anything, at least on the dvd-audios I own, the DTS mix usually sounds a bit brighter than the MLP tracks. But if you bought that disc used, you might want to read this article at HFR & this one* by HTF's own Felix Martinez about the mixing debacle surrounding that disc, and how Brian May had to step in and help completely remix it so it sounded right on the second version that was sold.

* from that review: "However, the ambitious recording, re-recording and edits used in creating ANATO over 25 years ago contributed to a compromised fidelity. Distortion, compression, and other recording anomalies were evident even in the original master tapes."
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Old 06-24-2006, 02:08 AM   #6 of 49
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Re: DTS Disc Question


BTW: most dvd-audio players have a dvd-video playback mode. This means you can play back a dvd-audio disc as a dvd-video disc - this will allow a person to access the Dolby Digital/DTS tracks if they need to use bass management for their speaker system (not all players have b.m. for the hi-res signals, or it's just not set up well). And according to many people, sometimes the DTS people mix the DTS tracks more aggressively than the MLP tracks, so this method allows access to that track or the 6.1 channel ES track if provided (though unlike most other companies' discs, most DTS Inc. dvd-audio discs have ALL these options listed in their audio set up menu when played on a dvd-audio player).

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Old 06-24-2006, 08:03 AM   #7 of 49
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Re: DTS Disc Question


I like the DTS music alot. Its much better sounding then a cd,because of the better bass or the surround i dont know. I dont hear any difference from a DTS music disc vs a DVD-A with the DTS track on it. A real good one is Don Henley. BTW,if you want good mixed ones go for Donald Fagens,any of them.



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Old 06-24-2006, 02:01 PM   #8 of 49
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Re: DTS Disc Question


Thanks very much Lance!
I have a half dozen or so (Clapton, Wings, Steve Miller) DTS CDs but then they were being deleted from the catalog so I thought they went all DVD.

I own the Moody's Seventh Sojourn album on DTS-CD.
So what do you think of it?
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Old 06-24-2006, 04:55 PM   #9 of 49
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Thanks very much Lance!
I have a half dozen or so (Clapton, Wings, Steve Miller) DTS CDs but then they were being deleted from the catalog so I thought they went all DVD.

I own the Moody's Seventh Sojourn album on DTS-CD.
So what do you think of it?
Thanks Everyone
Grant

I've heard the MB DTS isnt great but the SACD's are suppose to be better. I have the S Miller DTS Fly Like an Eagle and its pretty good.



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Old 06-24-2006, 10:05 PM   #10 of 49
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I have a DTS CD...It's basically a CD with DTS encoding on it, so you can't play it in a CD player, you need a DVD player with DTS capabilities. But if I recall, they aren't DVD's - they're actaully CD's...
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1) DTS-CD/DTS Music Disc - these play on any CD player (but ONLY through its digital output)
IIRC, mine wouldn't play in my CD player (using optical audio outs) since regular CD players don't decode DTS, but I'm not 100%.




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