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Old 07-12-2004, 11:52 AM   #1 of 19
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Free the Beethoven 32!!


I just was informed of this freebie:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/classical/pizarro/

All 32 Beethoven piano sonatas performed by Pizarro. I'm at work and haven't been able to listen to them, but will sample a few later today.

Hey the price is right.



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Old 07-12-2004, 01:38 PM   #2 of 19
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That is a really nice gesture all around. I'm not keen on 'real audio' however.

Somewhat on topic, I've heard that there hasn't been one artist who has yet managed to do all 32 sonatas justice in recorded form. One artist may be magnificent with a handful, another artist, a different mix of sonatas. Am I off base here? I dream of seeing a collection or volume of the complete Beethoven sonatas performed splendidly on all counts.



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Old 07-12-2004, 01:56 PM   #3 of 19
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There are a number of excellent complete sets, such as Brendel, Goode, Kempff, Arrau and Schnabel.



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Old 07-12-2004, 02:55 PM   #4 of 19
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I have the early Brendel and the Schnabel recordings, both very nice in their own ways. I just posted this so the pop music fans may give these freebies a try. They otherwise may never hear this music.



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Old 07-12-2004, 03:00 PM   #5 of 19
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At first I was tempted to suggest that we need to keep politics out of the forum.




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Old 07-12-2004, 08:35 PM   #6 of 19
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The only "sure thing" is that Beethoven sonata interpretation (or that of any other music) whittles down to personal taste, which will vary from person to person. I know this sounds like "very obvious talk" but in the world of music critique, classical music critique specifically, there seems to be an unspoken (occasionally spoken) rule that you need a music science degree and/or fifty recordings of "sonata X" to truly know what is good, what is bad. That of course is simple hogwash.

To some, the perfect/ultimate collection consists of one artist's interpretation; to others, it's a hodge-podge.
Many people like Schnabel because he was such an early visionary in terms of his (some say overly) academic research on the sonatas (some of his footnotes ARE unintentionally hilarious), but as the times change so do his recordings. Some might call them quaint today (I would not go so far; I like Schnabel, and I believe it's the poor quality of his recordings that most people seem to find "quaint").

Rubato-laden interpretations that would be dismissed with a casual wave today were all the vogue over a hundred years ago, and the reverse would also be true... the mid-century drying-out of tone and metrical lines would be unthinkable in Lizst's time.

There's this constant striving for a middle ground with tempo, especially in the later sonatas like the hammerklavier. That one in particular is so large in thematic scope, like a symphony, that you find people really experiment with speed, as they have with large symphonic works by later-century composers.

I find most recordings try things that I appreciate (especially recording staccato and tempo) but they're not always to my taste. I, like everyone else, have an "ideal recording" in my head against which every recording I hear has to "compete".

The abovementioned interpreters are great starts. The Richard Goode set, which I acquired for a measly $30 about six years ago, is a nice starter set. I find it very "even"; in other words, Goode is very consistent and somewhat conservative in his vision through all of the 32, so you can more easily make up your mind about which ones you like (and don't), and HOW you want them played (and don't).

It's mostly about emotional resonance (furthermore: life context, or "what you were doing when you first heard it") ... my favorite recording of the appassionata is still a cheesy budget RCA recording from the eighties by Claude Frank that I listened endlessly in high school (missed notes and all!).

As with other things we could mention, it's often "all about the first".

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Old 07-12-2004, 08:53 PM   #7 of 19
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Old 07-13-2004, 05:16 AM   #8 of 19
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Well I listed to Pizarro's "Waldstein" which for me is a touchstone. It demands both lyrical playing of the counterpoint at the same time as "banging on the piano" so it's damned difficult to pull off right. Pizarro tries for too much terrace dynamics and rubato. Sounds like he can't decided whether he's playing Scarlatti or Listz... I like the way that Brendel pulls off the Waldstein.

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Old 07-13-2004, 07:10 AM   #9 of 19
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Old 07-13-2004, 07:43 AM   #10 of 19
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I'm impressed. I've now listened to Nos. 1-3, 8, 14 and 29 (sorry, couldn't resist). I haven't poked around the BBC site much; is this commercially available?