Need classical music recommendations

Dome Vongvises · 05-01-2004, 07:26 PM

I'm not talking about just Beethoven and Mozart, but I also want orchestras who perform them as well and if there are any good CD sets (e.g. London Symphony Orchestra, etc.).

Seth--L · 05-01-2004, 07:53 PM

Dome,

Mozart and Beethoven make up only a very very small portion of classical composers. There's Bach, all of Bach's sons, Barber, Bartok, Bellini, Berg, Berlioz, Bizet, Block, Brahms, Borodin, Britton, Bruckner... those are just some of the Bs!

There are also many extremely talented orchestras out there, such as Cleveland, Philadelphia, Chicago, Berlin, and Vienna.

Here's a list of what I own: Click Here

I'd enthusiastically recommend about 90% of it.

Dome Vongvises · 05-01-2004, 08:42 PM

I guess the better way of putting it would be: how can I tell if I'm getting a great orchestra as supposed to some second rate conductor that performs Wagner with a milk jug?

Milk jug? Not a bad idea.....

Seth--L · 05-01-2004, 09:03 PM

Reviews are the only way. Great orchestras have their bad days, and little known obscure orchestras can be surprisingly good. Ditto for conductors. IMO, reviews are mostly worthless since they're so subjective, but when it comes to rating an orchestra's technical abilities in a recording, that's pretty objective.

Daniel J.S. · 05-01-2004, 09:04 PM

Well a great orchestra will have great intonation, and tone quality. It will sound like everyone is playing with passion. There will be a sense of balance; all sections are heard clearly. It really comes down to this: does the performance move you or leave you saying "eh"? If you're looking for good recordings the "Penguin Guide to Compact Discs" is your best friend. The "Gramophone" guide is useful as well.

My favorite orchestras are the Vienna Philharmonic and the Chicago Symphony; both have extraordinary brass sections (especially the CSO under Solti!).

If you like Mozart and Beethoven, I have a few recommendations. Murray Perhaia has done some outstanding recordings of the Mozart and Beethoven Piano Concertos. The Mozart is with I believe the English Chamber Orchestra while the Beethoven is with the Concertgebouw conducted by Bernard Haitink. You can get them as individual discs or as complete sets (although they're on Sony, so they're quite pricey. Well worth it IMO).

If you want a set of the Beethoven symphonies and you like period performance, I recommend Gardiner's set for DG. He follows Beethoven's (very fast) metronome markings, something hardly anyone else does and it works extremely well. Gardiner also did a stunning recording of Verdi's "Requiem" with the same orchestra.

If you're looking for good Mozart orchestral discs, you can't go wrong with Neville Marriner's recordings (they're with modern instruments however).

If you want epic romantic music, pick up some Mahler symphonies. Some good starting places would be No.2 with Mehta and the VPO and No. 8 with Solti and the CSO. Both are on the Decca Legends label. Also give Karajan's recording of No. 9 with the Berlin Philharmonic a spin. The Bruckner symphonies are good choices as well (keep in mind that there are numerous revisions of each. Look for the Haas or Nowak editions).

If you want opera, the big three Mozart ones are great (Figaro, Don Giovanni, Cosi Fan Tutte). I'd also give a high recommendation for "Der Rosenkavalier" by Richard Strauss on the strength of the absolutely heart-rending final trio alone. As for Wagner, I adore his music, but it's heavy-duty, so you may want to try some highlights to see if it's your cup of tea.

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Dennis Nicholls · 05-01-2004, 10:17 PM

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Reviews are the only way. Great orchestras have their bad days, and little known obscure orchestras can be surprisingly good. Ditto for conductors. IMO, reviews are mostly worthless since they're so subjective, but when it comes to rating an orchestra's technical abilities in a recording, that's pretty objective.

The main help that reviews can give you comes after you learn to "calibrate" the reviewer - learn his prejudices.

There aren't any really good review sources on-line. The standard reference is "The Penguin Guide to Compact Discs" which comes out every year or so in paperback. It's about 1600 (sixteen hundred

) pages long and costs about $17 online. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books Keep your old ones as they only cover what's "currently in print" as it were.

Be prepared to buy a lot of CDs to learn what your own tastes are. This also helps "calibrate" whichever reviewers you read.

This shouldn't cost too much. There are lots of "budget labels" which sell for $4-10 a disk. There is very little correlation between what you spend on a classical CD (or SACD) and the quality of the performance and audio recording. Some of the budget labels are independent. Others are branches of the major labels (Sony, Philips, Deutsche Gramophon, London).

DanaA · 05-01-2004, 10:31 PM

Dome,

You might check out ClassicsToday.com. They have an extensive library of reviews and rate on both performance and sound quality.

As for what to start with, the difficulty, as alluded to by others, is that there are simple so many different styles and flavors of classical music. I enjoy most styles, but have a preference for Romantic and post-Romantic music, but even if you take a Shostakovich, Mahler, Bartok, or Janacek, they each have many different colors to their music. As an example, Mahler's symphonies can sound sublimely beautiful in certain movements and emotionally exhausting in others. Some have vocals, others don't. Some of Shostakovich's string quartets can sound almost Bach like and others are a completely different animal.

But...................to me, that's the fun of it. Opening new doors and exploring what's there. Perhaps, pick out some of the music that receives 10's for both sound quality and performance over at Classics Today, read the reviews, and give it a go. Berkshire Record Outlet has a wide catalog of classical CD's at unreal prices, usually in the $3-5 range. As an example, I wanted the symphony cycle of a composer named Bax and they were selling all seven symphonies for around $10. I'll try to remember to provide you with a link in a few minutes. Arkivmusic.com is having a sale at this minute of Naxos CD's that received scores of 10/10 at ClassicsToday.com. Just received my order yesterday and there are some treasures there.

DanaA · 05-01-2004, 10:33 PM

Here are a couple of links that will provide a good selection and can save you money.

Berkshire always will

Arkivmusic has an amazing selection of even hard to get CD's and has some pretty decent specials.

Hope this helps. It does me because I've been buying about 10 recordings a week and would go broke if I didn't get my deals.

One final note: There might be quite a few excellent recordings of a particular piece. Like speakers, it comes down to individual preference in many cases. For instance, I prefer the Borodin String Quartet's performances of the Shostakovich String Quartets, whereas other might more enjoy the Emerson Quartet's interpretations, and others might have others as their champions.

Good luck in your search because it sure can be fun opening those new doors.

Seth--L · 05-01-2004, 11:19 PM

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I prefer the Borodin String Quartet's performances of the Shostakovich String Quartets, whereas other might more enjoy the Emerson Quartet's interpretations, and others might have others as their champions.