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Old 03-17-2004, 12:01 PM   #31 of 262
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No offense taken. I wasn't really surprised, it's just that this thread, and like so many others before it, are so far from music, I don't get why we have them. I enjoy this part of the HTF when it concentrates on the tunes, not what mutli-gazillion dollar companies are doing. I don't want to thread fart though, so I'll just try to ignore it. I think I'll put some music on. What format? It doesn't matter.

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Old 03-17-2004, 12:53 PM   #32 of 262
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I think the fact that some people are eager to talk about future high-res audio formats is an indicator as to just how stagnant DVD-A and SACD are. Not very encouraging.



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Old 03-17-2004, 01:25 PM   #33 of 262
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I think the fact that some people are eager to talk about future high-res audio formats is an indicator as to just how stagnant DVD-A and SACD are. Not very encouraging.


On the contrary...I started this thread because I see that an opportunity exists to unify three formats into one high capacity system...

1. Data storage.
2. Hidef video.
3. Hirez music (or redbook as well) plus extra features.

That may be a way to salvage to-date investments in MLP and DSD.

***Think of the marketing advantages and economies of scale (and lower consumer costs!) from doing all 3 at once.****

You might have Dell, HP, Epson, etc. pressing the Data applications, Sony/Philips, Warner?, and hundreds of labels pressing the music improvement, and every major studio pressing the video format advantages.

Everyone wins by getting the early adopters to re-purchase their movie collection, encourage more hi-def/digital TV sales, and create a "step-up" product for the serious music fan. And it can all be done without alienating the current audiophile base by preserving Super Audio and DVDA playback at least in the high end world!

Having the studios on board would make it more likely that surround sound demos like the ones in German cinemas would be used as previews to build excitement.

Better to have one massive promotion creating a new big pie that everyone gets a slice of.

Also, the good news is that BluRay is said to be backward compatible with both existing DVDs and redbook CDs.

The future is bright.




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Old 03-17-2004, 01:30 PM   #34 of 262
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Disney and Warner are strongly behind AOD/HD-DVD.


I'm not sure about this as I have spoken to some criticsw who are following this closely. My understanding is that neither of these studios has committed at this point.

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Keeping the costs down is good for adoption of a format.


Sure, but that alone will not be enough to overwhelm the combined market power of the current BluRay group.

As for Sony supporting the DVD-R, that is not a good argument as they had far fewer supporting companies. Remember Matsushita owns several major Japanese brands and controls a large portion of the market.

I hope Marc Colella provides me some links to video differences. I would like to see if MPEG2 in high-def resolution is really all that bad. The WSJ article spoke with some un-named studio chiefs and they really liked the picture quality...




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Old 03-17-2004, 01:33 PM   #35 of 262
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Well, MLP is already part of the HD-DVD spec, so they are already ahead of Blu-Ray on the hi-res audio side.



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Old 03-17-2004, 01:43 PM   #36 of 262
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Lee,

Look through AVS Forum sometime. There are some very strong and talented individuals that participate there.

Michael,

Correct. At this point, there is no provision for Hi-Res Audio+Video on a single stream for Blu-Ray. Note edit
Why? MPEG-2 is too inefficient.

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Old 03-17-2004, 02:49 PM   #37 of 262
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Look through AVS Forum sometime. There are some very strong and talented individuals that participate there.


Stacey Spears has encoded WM9 test material for Joe Kane. I'm sure he has some insight.



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Old 03-17-2004, 03:15 PM   #38 of 262
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I hope Marc Colella provides me some links to video differences. I would like to see if MPEG2 in high-def resolution is really all that bad. The WSJ article spoke with some un-named studio chiefs and they really liked the picture quality...


How did I get dragged into all of this?

Sorry Lee.. I don't have any of those links.

However, from what I've been reading - it seems that professionals consider MPEG2 to be out-of-date and just not efficient enough for Hi-Def.
A new format deserves a newer codec that can take better advantage of the technology.
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Old 03-17-2004, 03:25 PM   #39 of 262
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You know Lee may be right but really in the end it will come down to studio support. The players can't do much without the software. Who will win? Whichever format has commitments for Star Wars 1-6, Lord of the Rings, and Pixar stuff

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Old 03-17-2004, 03:51 PM   #40 of 262
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Lee,

It's not about mpeg2 being worse than the other codecs, it's about efficiency. If mpeg4 looks as good at 10mb/s as mpeg2 does at 28mb/s, why use mpeg2? It will take over twice the processing horsepower as well as over twice the storage space on disc. Doesn't make any sense to me to use mpeg2 if there are better codecs out there.
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Old 03-17-2004, 04:28 PM   #41 of 262
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It's not about mpeg2 being worse than the other codecs, it's about efficiency. If mpeg4 looks as good at 10mb/s as mpeg2 does at 28mb/s, why use mpeg2?


Here's the thing. Since BluRay holds 50GB of data isn't that enough to hold a hi-def MPEG2 movie at very, very high quality? Isn't bandwidth only an issue on digital delivery systems like cable, etc?

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Sorry Lee.. I don't have any of those links.


My mistake, I thought John Kotches said you provided some links...somebody did put when I linked over the test was like WM9 versus standard DVD which is not an answer to the discussion.

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Stacey Spears has encoded WM9 test material for Joe Kane. I'm sure he has some insight.


Well I will look for her comments. Stacey, you out there?

Again, it may not be the best technology that wins, Beta was better than VHS in several respects.

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