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Old 11-11-2003, 10:38 PM   #31 of 39
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Hey Justin, man some of those "new" artists you listed are old in their 40's and 50's and been around for 20+ years now I know it's a shock when you start hearing stuff you listened to in high school on the classic rock station but that's the way it is. Not much we can do about it.


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Finally, next week, the Flaming Lips DVDA hits the shelves.


Stop lying it's been delayed again till sometime in 2032 admit it.

That's another thing these companys could work on, don't anounce release dates you can't possibly keep. It doesn't sound too good for the format when my friends hear me complaining about how none of these great discs ever actually get released they just get anounced and delayed.
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Old 11-12-2003, 02:23 AM   #32 of 39
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Has anybody else seen the commercial for REM's greatest hits CD?

I have and they mention the dvd-audio version exactly...........ZERO times.

AAARRRRRRRRRRGH!!!!!

What is the deal with the marketing people? Just a two second sentence or a line in the closing scene of the commercial would work. But no, they put NOTHING. Why????

Even on dvd-audio label's music sites I can't find anything about dvd-audio. I haven't checked in several months so this may have changed, but back in the summer (except Universal) none even had a link to their dvd-audio releases. Even their search engines couldn't find anything.

Golly gee, can anyone figure out why Regular Joes still don't know what dvd-audio or surround music is? This is getting really stupid. I'm almost getting to the point where I am embarrassed to admit I am a hi-res adopter.

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Old 11-12-2003, 05:53 PM   #33 of 39
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I'm on this clownboat! I'm so tired of seeing the same recording artists from 20-30 years ago getting re-issues with nothing from current artists. It's the number one reason I haven't given a damn about SACD or DVD-A. As I see it the masters for all of that stuff are on tape and won't sound as good no matter what. Digital recordings would be better but:

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- Today's rock music, particularly the popular stuff, is over-compressed and produced so poorly that it wouldn't benefit much from an audiophile format.
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That's absurd.

No it isn't. I brought my (legit) copy of Smashing Pumpkin's "Tonight" to the audio shops to do my auditions for new speakers. It was awful! The recording was compressed and lifeless even on the best systems I tried. What should have a been a rich and complex sound which I had previously excused for not being played on a decent sound system, just plain sucked. The insturments were all jumbled together and the dynamic range was far too compressed. My cousin is a musician and I put her CD into the same system and I could swear she was standing next to me. I could pick out the placement of the instruments just as they were when it was recorded. It was so good it brought tears to my eyes. She gives a damn about her finished product.

I hear this more and more from pop/rock recordings and it's highly disappointing. I hope and pray the masters sound a world better than this but I doubt it. Finding music companies that give a damn about sound engineering is getting to be a lost art.



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Old 11-12-2003, 07:35 PM   #34 of 39
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At least I have another machine to play dvd movies and MP3's if the captains of that clownboat run us into a sandbar.

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Old 11-12-2003, 07:51 PM   #35 of 39
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The insturments were all jumbled together and the dynamic range was far too compressed. My cousin is a musician and I put her CD into the same system and I could swear she was standing next to me.


You're talking about a conceptual choice between whether or not the sound design is meant to simulate a group of musicians standing in traditional locations on a virtual stage, or if they've decided to make it a purely musical experience that is not rooted in a virtual stage. And the choice to how much to compress, or rather the tendency to overdo it a bit, is - I would suggest - probably part of that elimination of the traditional virtual stage.

You might not like that choice, but given that few bands - when they are creating an album - are limited to the usual drum/guitar/bass/vocalist (even if that's what they are when on a real stage), it kind of makes sense. I mean, where does one put all the sounds that don't exist in that set up, which only exist when you're making a studio album? The idea of recreating a stage becomes just one choice.

But I was taking issue with the claim that the recording quality of today's recordings is worse. That's absurd. If Elvis were alive today he'd love a modern studio. And if the elder producers who are guiding the remastering of the Classics would turn their attention to the modern day, we might find that the inherent quality of today's recordings would provide them with much greater sound quality than those classics. Hopefully we'll find out some year soon.
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Old 11-12-2003, 08:16 PM   #36 of 39
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You might not like that choice, but given that few bands - when they are creating an album - are limited to the usual drum/guitar/bass/vocalist (even if that's what they are when on a real stage), it kind of makes sense.

Which is why I chose "Tonight" as an exemplar. Here is a band who could afford to have anything they want in the studio recording a vibrant, lyrical, beautifully orchestrated, lush song with an entire string section and it sounds like crap. It shouldn't. For a band that puts SO much effort into their technical skill it's an embarassment that the recording is so thin.



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Old 11-13-2003, 10:04 AM   #37 of 39
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Jason - maybe the Pumpkins wanted it to sound like that. band oftne make a choice to lofi their sound. look at The Strokes as a modern example. Listen to the Velvet Underground recordings and then listen to a Mothers album in the same time frame.

And as far as I know, the Flaming Lips DVDA is still on schedule for Nov 18. NOW THAT should be a satisfying sonic experience.


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Old 11-13-2003, 11:21 AM   #38 of 39
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And as far as I know, the Flaming Lips DVDA is still on schedule for Nov 18. NOW THAT should be a satisfying sonic experience.


I still think it's being rescheduled to sometime in the 4th qtr of 2032

Seriously it should be really really great. About the only thing I can think of right now that'd I rather have than Flaming Lips is Radiohead.
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Old 11-14-2003, 03:29 AM   #39 of 39
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Speaking of the Flaming Lips dvd-audio, the packaging artwork looks different than for the CD version:

Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots CD + dvd-audio set

(here you can listen to track samples from the CD version)

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