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Old 08-07-2003, 06:07 PM   #1 of 14
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OK, I hearby nominate myself for stupid question of the day but I have to ask.

When copying a redbook CD using Roxio CD copier software. Is the copy or CD-R an exact bit for bit digital copy that will sound exactly the same as the original.

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Old 08-07-2003, 06:46 PM   #2 of 14
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i've always wondered that myself. i think it may depend on the app? i know a lot of people here like Exact Audio Copy - which i think is bit-for-bit. not sure about roxio though...although that's what i use. i probably couldn't tell the difference anyway.
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....am thinking of copying some of my collection and selling the originals on Ebay.
whoop! whoop! red alert!


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Old 08-07-2003, 06:53 PM   #3 of 14
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I've never burned a CD before and am thinking of copying some of my collection and selling the originals on Ebay.

Here comes the RIAA police!





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Old 08-07-2003, 09:02 PM   #4 of 14
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uuummmm you can legally copy cds for your own use. i make a copy with text for my megachangers and keep the original for the car



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Old 08-07-2003, 10:55 PM   #5 of 14
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The way I understand the copyright laws I can make a copy for my own use. I don't believe selling the original CD that I purchased is illegal. Now if I were to sell the copy that's another story.
I still would like to know the answer to my question.
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Old 08-07-2003, 11:07 PM   #6 of 14
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I believe that once you parted with the original, the copy in your possession would be deemed illegal.
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Old 08-08-2003, 01:09 AM   #7 of 14
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uuummmm you can legally copy cds for your own use. i make a copy with text for my megachangers and keep the original for the car
of course that's true. i do the same thing.

however, the point is greg wants to *sell* the original. at that point, any copies he owns would be illegal.

anyway, anyone know the answer to his original question? i'm still curious.


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Old 08-08-2003, 02:57 AM   #8 of 14
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I've never burned a CD before and am thinking of copying some of my collection and selling the originals on Ebay. I've amassed quite a few MFSL gold CD's over the years and am shocked at what they sell for on Ebay.

More than $150,000 a pop? Copying CDs you own for your own use is legal. Selling your CDs without keeping copies of them is legal. But what you propose sounds questionable at best.

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anyway, anyone know the answer to his original question? i'm still curious.

Whether it's an exact bit-for-bit copy of what the computer can read from the CD-ROM drive would depend on the software. E.g., track-by-track burning or deletion of subcode data might cause some bits to be different even if the stereo audio bits for each track were an exact copy of what the computer read.

There's a separate issue in that the computer might not be able to read an exact copy of the bits on the CD. The CD-Audio format is not known for near-100% odds of perfect recovery of bits; the idea is to feed a constant-rate stream of bits to the player, and if a bit is corrupted, why the player can just interpolate a fix, or play the bad bit as-is. CD-ROM format devotes some of the disk space to more error detection/correction overhead precisely because such errors are not tolerable when reading things like .EXE files.

On the writing side, the CD burner may introduce additional errors. Some people have run into problems where audio CDs burned at high speed have "clicks" when played back on home stereos. The problems often go away when burning at low speed, suggesting a mechanical cause (such as vibration of the disc or the write laser).

So it's sort-of bit-for-bit, but there are opportunities for things to go wrong -- sometimes with audible results, sometimes not.
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Old 08-08-2003, 06:01 AM   #9 of 14
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I have Nero express software, If I use the "Copy Entire Disc" selection at say 4kbs copy speed would I be losing quality? I just assumed it would be perfect!

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Old 08-08-2003, 06:40 AM   #10 of 14
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Wes, my guess is that it will be as perfect as we need it to be.

If you have been using Nero Express, I'm curious whether you've figured out a couple of things tho, that have me puzzled.

I asked these questions a few months ago, but no answers at that time.

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htfo...hreadid=144066
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