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Old 07-31-2003, 07:49 AM   #91 of 159
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Does anyone know where can I get a non Crest but US manufactured DSOTM disc preferably for the same price?


Lewis, I think this has been discussed both here and at Steve Hoffman. Do an archive search on DSOTM and cracks...

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Between them, Sony (Columbia) and Philips own the classical music catalog.


Yes, and the quality has been excellent. Any San Francisco Symphony Mahler series is among the best in my collection as are the Channel Classics discs. I particularly like the Peter Wispelwey recordings. Perhaps it is fitting that classical, in exec's minds the bastard stepson of the industry, is driving the acceptance in large part.

There was a post on Grammaphone recently where 3 of the Top 10 recordings were SACD and many others are recorded in DSD.





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Old 07-31-2003, 12:39 PM   #92 of 159
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I take it you don't know then, thanks.
Search came back negative to my question.
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Old 07-31-2003, 04:11 PM   #93 of 159
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I guess you found it Lewis.




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Old 07-31-2003, 05:10 PM   #94 of 159
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Between them, Sony (Columbia) and Philips own the classical music catalog.


To clarify, Philips is part of Universal Music - which includes both Decca and DG (Philips has the smallest catalogue of the three).

The problem with classical music on Hi-Rez formats is that no one is releasing anything from their catalogue. Sony put out a good number of their Columbia/CBS recordings from the 60s and 70s in 2000, but lately they've only been releasing one or two catalogue recordings every few months. At this point Universal has only released 2 or 3 pre 1990 recordings on SACD (most of their SACD releases were recorded in the last 5-10 years). I don't believe EMI or RCA have touched their catalogues yet (for DVD-A). It also should be noted that for whatever reason, Universal Music is creating their DSD transfers from PCM masters, not the original tapes (doesn’t that defeat the purpose of SACD and DSD?).



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Old 07-31-2003, 07:24 PM   #95 of 159
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Philips is part of Universal Music


Yeah but Universal is strongly behind hirez and is issuing some 80 albums this Fall on SACD...

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The problem with classical music on Hi-Rez formats is that no one is releasing anything from their catalogue.


Rubbish...what labels do you want titles from?

Deutsche Grammaphon?

Channel Classics? (La Stravaganza, Britten Cello works...)

Vanguard?

Harmonia Mundi?

BMG's RCA Series? (yes, recordings coming out in Japan)

YoYo Ma's new albums from Sony? Joshua Bell's?

SFS house label? (The Mahler is superb)

These labels all do regular Super Audio releases.

Super Audio owns the classical catalog so far and there have been many titles (hundreds), many of them recent great performances...

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Universal Music is creating their DSD transfers from PCM masters, not the original tapes (doesn’t that defeat the purpose of SACD and DSD?)


Some are PCM and some are not. It does not defeat the purpose sonically (at least not 100%) because editing stations upsample and the consumer also benefits from new remasterings.

It is better to do native DSD or transfer from analog, but DSD is increasingly common on the pro side.

Life is good...and there are many more titles coming...




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Old 07-31-2003, 10:20 PM   #96 of 159
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I guess you found it Lewis
No other US press besides Crest,there are some from overseas though,so your line here is invalid:
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Not true. Many Sony discs come from Japan but are sold as U.S. discs. Also, many are coming from Terre Haute, Indiana. There is another US plant as well if I'm not mistaken.
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Old 07-31-2003, 11:29 PM   #97 of 159
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The problem with classical music on Hi-Rez formats is that no one is releasing anything from their catalogue ... At this point Universal has only released 2 or 3 pre 1990 recordings on SACD (most of their SACD releases were recorded in the last 5-10 years) ... It also should be noted that for whatever reason, Universal Music is creating their DSD transfers from PCM masters, not the original tapes (doesn’t that defeat the purpose of SACD and DSD?).


Most of your post is factually incorrect. Check my site below for actual substantiated information.

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Old 08-01-2003, 09:52 AM   #98 of 159
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The problem with classical music on Hi-Rez formats is that no one is releasing anything from their catalogue.


How about catalog titles from Telarc and the RQR (Remastered Quadro Recordings) PentaTone Philips Classics titles?

I recently rec'd a number of these RQR titles, and in the case of Rachmaninov: Piano Concerto No. 2 (Eliahu Inbal/Radio Symphony Orchestra), it just blew my mind how great this 4-channel recording from the early '70s sounds! Rivals many, many newer hi-rez recordings...

http://www.telarc.com/sacd/title.asp...05AFURQ6QPB404

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Old 08-01-2003, 10:17 AM   #99 of 159
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How about catalog titles from Telarc and the RQR (Remastered Quadro Recordings) PentaTone Philips Classics titles?


Yes, I forgot these big labels. RQR is new to me, however. Quad recordings from the 70s!




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Old 08-01-2003, 10:18 AM   #100 of 159
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Lee,

Catalogue implies recordings that are not recent.

YoYo Ma's new albums from Sony? Joshua Bell's?


These are new recordings.

Classical collectors want to see recordings by Bohm, Kubelik, Jochum from DG, Dohnányi from Decca, and Haitink, C.Davis from Philips. Universal has not released SACDs from any of these artists, nor are any planned.

Surprisingly, Universal has barely tapped Gardiner’s recordings.

Universal music has a monopoly on great Bruckner recordings (Karajan, Jochum and Haitink), when are we going to see these? His music would be perfect for SACD. Don’t even get me started on soloists (Oistrakh, Rostropovich, Curzon, Arrau, Uchida, and Richter)

Sony got off to a good start, but they haven't released a new Szell SACD since like 2001, and they certainly could stand to release more Ormandy recordings on the format. Some Serkin and Fleisher recordings would be welcome too.

Also, how about some Mackerras from Telarc (and all the other labels he's worked with).

SFS house label? (The Mahler is superb)


I'd much rather have Mahler by Kubelik, Szell, Dohnányi, Haitink, Walter, Horenstein, and Barbirolli.



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Old 08-01-2003, 11:46 AM   #101 of 159
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Yes, I forgot these big labels. RQR is new to me, however. Quad recordings from the 70s!


Lee - that RQR Rach title is very impressive. Curious what you think of it if you ever pick it up...

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