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06-09-2003, 02:24 PM
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No problem Rich, accept my apologies as well. Let's just enjoy the music. These new releases coming to SACD are great news.
I think I am just a bit cranky after my copy of DSOTM has developed three cracks recently.
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06-09-2003, 02:26 PM
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That highlighted section is the misleading part
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Lance, your comments are what people get upset about...you are taking those comments out of the context of acting as a counterexample to what Brian is accused of doing.
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06-09-2003, 02:31 PM
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Perhaps HFR could add a weekly (or daily) editorial by one of its reporters or better yet the whole editorial board so no one gets singled out for retribution. That way some would be free to speculate on important issues on both sides-DVDA and SACD.
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That we can agree on. I would love to have someone ask or comment on why Warner has put out less than 10 DVD-A titles for the first half of the year, or why Sony is sitting on a number of their large catalog titles? Of course such questions would get little to "no reponse", but at least we could have some conjecture of some sort from those a little more in the loop.
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06-09-2003, 02:33 PM
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Since I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that Brian Moura is a trusted source for SACD news (not commentary, not comparisons with other formats, just news), which is all he was claimed to be in the initial post (the word "most" may have been pushing it, but not so much that it deserved a thread hijack), I can't quite figure out why I am on the fourth page of a SACD vs. DVD-A media bias donnybrook. Don't we have other threads for that?
In any case, I am glad that Steely Dan will be releasing material on SACD. Perhaps this could lead to a hi-res 2-channel Aja if they don't find the missing multi-tracks.
I have also heard from Harry Weinger over at the Motown board that the 5.1 mix for Marvin Gaye's "Let's Get it On" is being overseen by the album's original mixing engineer, Cal Harris.
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Ken McAlinden
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06-09-2003, 03:28 PM
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I have also heard from Harry Weinger over at the Motown board that the 5.1 mix for Marvin Gaye's "Let's Get it On" is being overseen by the album's original mixing engineer, Cal Harris.
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I look forward to that one. I also look forward to the new Steely Dan DVDA and the Gaucho SACD.
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Of course such questions would get little to "no reponse", but at least we could have some conjecture of some sort from those a little more in the loop.
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I would like to see that as well. One might even get a guest editorial from David Kawakami or another Sony rep.
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06-09-2003, 03:48 PM
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Lee: out of context? No, I make sure I DON'T do that when I quote people so I will not be drawn into some anal-retentive tit-for-tat discussion.
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06-09-2003, 04:06 PM
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True enough, Jeff. But when I buy a DVD-A title, as I did last week with Frank Zappa's "Halloween"*, do you think DTS Ent. (or Warner Bros, etc.) really cares that I'm only accessing the DTS or DD track? (For the time being, of course.)
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Neither format can state with certainty how many consumers are purchasing discs for the hi-res layer, and that's just as true for DVD-A as for SACD.
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Presently, dvd-audio discs have no CD layer, so the ONLY reason a person buys a dvd-audio title is either for the multichannel mix or the hi-res tracks: these are what the dvd-audio format is all about. Consequently, dvd-audio sales figures portray a truly accurate picture of its popularity--there is no ambiguity involved.
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06-09-2003, 04:31 PM
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Not so, Lance.
I understand that your primary interest is in the multichannel mixes, but I think you do a disservice to the significance of the hi-resolution tracks.
Every DVD-A disc I purchase is, for me, nothing more than the equivalent of a DVD-Video mix or a DTS CD... I can't access the hi-res layers because I don't yet have the hardware. You say this doesn't matter, but consider this: if the consumer is not buying DVD-A discs for the hi-res layer, then why put a hi-res layer on the disc at all? Why sell DVD-Audio players if everything they have to offer, all that distinguishes them, is already playable on existing DVD-Video players?
Basically it comes down to this: if the studios and hardware manufacturers don't think it matters whether consumers are buying DVD-As for the hi-resolution tracks, or that no one's buying them for the hi-resolution tracks, then why not just release DVD-Vs with DTS and Dolby Digital tracks and do away with the DVD-A format altogether? After all, what does DVD-A have to offer that DVD-V and DTS CD don't? Nothing but the high resolution track!
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Two together are always going somewhere.\"
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06-09-2003, 04:41 PM
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Lance,
I think you need to reread my posts herein. In this example, I was suggesting the damage to be done by holding the DVDA reporter to the same standard discussed for the SACD reporter. I was not discussing the pluses or minuses of either format.
By the way, the 10Khz graph you refer to (and refer to a lot whenever the subject arises) was developed by someone who works at Warner. In any event, this test does not really address transient response completely anyway. Transient response also involves multiple tones overlaid just as you get from real musicians playing...

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06-09-2003, 07:15 PM
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Geez, when did this place become the Audio Asylum?
Sure Brian only presents SACD stories, that is because that is what he wants to do. It is not like he is getting rich doing it. It is a passion for him. If any of you are so upset about his style, why don't you go out and start our own website and start submiting articles to High Fidelity Review?
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06-10-2003, 09:20 AM
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Geez, when did this place become the Audio Asylum?
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If any of you are so upset about his style, why don't you go out and start our own website and start submiting articles to High Fidelity Review?
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Or you can just read the DVDA reporter's stories. 
no fears alone at night she's sailing through the crowd
in her ears the phones are tight and the music's playing loud
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