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05-15-2002, 10:00 AM
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I disagree slightly with you AJ, the one character I DO care about is Obi Wan. I think he is just great, although he did not get a lot to do in the first episode, he certainly gets the spotlight in Episode 2. Even though you know he is going to live, you don't know at what cost.
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05-15-2002, 10:02 AM
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I'll have to agree on that one. Did any single scene in EpI even come close to Ben's death in IV? Heck I think I felt more when Biggs bought it in the trench than when Qui-Gon got run through. And personally, I never minded Luke's whining. He's just some punk kid in IV so I think it's rather appropriate, that and it makes it that much better in Jedi when he's all in black and single handedly annihilating Jabba's gang. Quite a bit of character development going on there. I'd even go so far as to say that by the time they escape the Death Star in ANH, Luke has already more or less quit his whining.
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05-15-2002, 10:18 AM
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I agree about Obi-Wan.
I've always felt that although the gist of the entire Star Wars saga is the rise, fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker, it is also about the failure and then redemption of Obi-Wan.
The OT left you with the feeling that Anakin's downfall was somewhat Obi-Wan's fault... and Obi-Wan did blame himself for it.
When Luke brings Vader back in ROTJ, both Anakin and Obi-Wan are redeemed.
So while we may know their fates, I can't wait to see how the actions of Obi-Wan and Ankain play out over the next two films.
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05-15-2002, 10:19 AM
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I'd even go so far as to say that by the time they escape the Death Star in ANH, Luke has already more or less quit his whining.
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Are you kidding?... Luke whines and pouts through the entire Dagobah sequence.

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05-15-2002, 10:20 AM
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Yes, I felt bad about Qui Gon's death in EpI, totally unexpected as well when I first watched it, I liked his character and think Liam Neeson was one of the best part of EpI. Just watched it last night, I really enjoy the film, regardless of how much people panned it.
EpI's characters were more formal, that was by design. I expect the characters in EpII to move more towards a less formal nature given the events unfolding. By III, with all hell breaking loose, I expect them to be the 'rebel' factor we see more of in the OT.
I'll reserve judgement until tomorrow, then post what I think of the characters, development and buy-in to what they are going through.
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05-15-2002, 10:21 AM
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I agree that the problem is the characters. Qui-Gon's death still doesn't do anything for me...but every time I see old Ben smile and disappear, I feel like Luke..."Nooooo!"
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05-15-2002, 10:52 AM
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This morning, our local radio station was promoting their midnight showing of Episode 2. While they were talking about it, the one DJ says that while lots of people complained and bashed Episode 1, the early reviews for Episode 2 were even worse! I have no idea where he got that info from!
Personally, I am really banking on Ron's review. I guess I will find out for myself tomorrow night!
Scott A. McGillivray
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Struggling Actor and Movie Nut!
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05-15-2002, 10:58 AM
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I'd blame Yoda for Anakin's training more than Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan 'graduates' from Jedi apprenticeship and then in the same 5 minutes takes on an apprentice? No way Yoda should have allowed that. 'Agree with you the counsil does, your apprentice Skywalker will be' was a bad call.
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05-15-2002, 11:01 AM
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I don't know if I'd say Luke whines thorughout Dagobah. He's definately impatient and complains a lot, but that fits his character.
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