*** Official "HEIST" Discussion Thread

Robert Crawford · 11-09-2001, 06:13 PM

This thread is now designated the Official Discussion Thread for "The Heist". Please, post all comments, links to outside reviews, film and box office discussion items to this thread.

All HTF member film reviews of "The Heist" should be posted to this thread .

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Crawdaddy

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[Edited last by Robert Crawford on November 09, 2001 at 06:14 PM]

JohnS · 11-11-2001, 05:46 PM

I loved this film much better than The Score.
I felt it had much better paing and way better twists.
Plus the ending was better, than the stale ending I felt from The Score.

I loved the dialogue, but did feel i missed some of it, due to the fact I wanted to keep track of the story.
So, a second viewing is needed.

Hopefully Warner Bros. will do a nifty Special Edition on DVD.

I do have one question, maybe you can answer it Crawdaddy.

In the scene where the guy comes in to buy the boat, Rebecca Pidgeon sees someone walking around outside in shadow.

Later we find out it's Rockwell.
He gives the excuse why he came back.

But Rebecca Pidgeon says "He came back to check up on me."

Why did she say that?
Is that because Gene Hackman sent her out before hand to spy on Rockwell/De Vito

Becuase I thought Hackman didn't send out Pidgeon untill after Rockwell came back spying when the boat guy came back.

I might have confused you. I hope not!

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[Edited last by JohnS on November 11, 2001 at 05:46 PM]

Patrick Sun · 11-17-2001, 09:36 PM

Spoilers ahead, so look away if you haven't seen the film.

I kept thinking that the Rebecca Pidgeon's character would turn out to be Gene Hackman's character's daughter. How many times did we get the "Why is she with YOU?" line in this film?

Did the Pidgeon character really sell out the Hackman character? Why? With that Rockwell character? He was dumb as bricks.

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Alex Spindler · 11-17-2001, 09:43 PM

She fell in love with the money. Rockwell looked to be the one who would end up with the money, so she traded over to him. I'm pretty sure that she would have stayed with Hackman had she suspected the boat scene would have turned out differently. After that, she was sure that she had to follow through.

Alex-C · 11-18-2001, 01:05 AM

I dont know about you but I felt like she planned to dump Sam Rockwell and hook up with Hackman eventually. She was a little too quick to proclaim the bars that he was painting to be the real gold bars, without even checking. And the gold bars were just a few feet away and apparently its easy to detect or reveal the real thing with a knife.

I mean, maybe its a plot hole or something, but I walked out thinking they were planning on hooking up. Wasnt Hackman chuckling as he drove off. Well, I guess he outsmarted them, but maybe he knew.

The thing with these movies is everyone is double crossing each other at every turn its hard to ascertain their true motivations.

Excellently written movie. Much better than The Score, with all due respect to Yoda.

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Robert Crawford · 11-18-2001, 04:40 AM

Alex,
You've hit the nail on the head. Remember, the last line she spoke to Hackman about being as cute as a Chinese baby! That same line was spoken much earlier in the film. In my opinion, there is hidden meaning behind the words that only she and Hackman know the true definition of......
Unfortunately, I think most people who have seen this film will missed that point.

Crawdaddy

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Justin Doring · 11-19-2001, 11:09 PM

Alex and Robert, I believe you are correct! As in The Spanish Prisoner, "the ending" is not really "the ending." Mamet loves his little jokes and loves his "Asian references." The Spanish Prisoner had the Japanese and Heist had the Chinese.

Jeremy Anderson · 11-20-2001, 09:38 AM

My interpretation was that Pidgeon's character was playing Rockwell at the end so that Hackman could get away clean. But that's why I loved this movie so much -- the subtleties left it completely open to interpretation.

Patrick Sun · 11-20-2001, 11:45 AM

Or maybe he was able to ditch the bitch, and keep all the gold.

BarryNS · 11-20-2001, 09:13 PM

I agree that this one was very well written with some excellent twists, but I felt a real lack of "chemistry" or sense of "engagement" between the actors in their various roles, other than with Hackman's presence when interacting with the others...in a lot of the scenes it almost felt as if Hackman was acting in his role and everyone else was "inserted"...Devito excluded, the scenes he shared with Hackman were by far the most engaging.