EricW

the only plot element that bothers me in the movie is the whole "Frank honks his horn to Donnie" part; both times the car horn is used, it's done by Living Frank, who should have no idea what's going on (when Living Frank kills Gretchen, he has no idea what he did) unless he too is being manipulted be Dead Frank).

So if Frank did in fact honk the horn to Donnie, he didn't do it knowingly, i guess.

Rob Willey

If you're talking about the part I think you're talking about, Frank is honking his horn to Elizabeth after dropping her off at home.

Rob

"That suits me down to the ground."

Bryant Trew

Seth

Ghost in the Shell is on the Elite Shelf in my DVD collection. Kay? That film is far more coherent than DD, despite the fact that it is far more complex.


That's pretty obvious because in the first dream Frank tells Donnie that he has been watching him. This clearly means that the two coexisted IMO.


In the future tangent universe. The engine fell off his mother's plane.


Which to me is the biggest hole in the films entire plot. If we are to believe that the tangent universe merged over from the plane engine falling, then what I don't understand is how you mean the artifact was returned to the primary universe. Donnie turned the clock back to a time after the primary universe moved to the tangent universe. So as far as I can tell, the catatrophie was still there. Remember, the engine still fell in the end.

Matrix Reloaded isn\'t deep at all. It\'s a simple, rehashed concept dressed up in fancy words and designer outfits...

Real World: \"I\'m hungry as hell, so I\'m going to run my ass down to Micky D\'s to get me a burger and fries.\"

Matrix 2: \"I need sustenance, ergo, move I shall expeditiously to aquire a bovine delicacy and browned slices of potato from the franchised proprietor, Ronald Mac Donald.\"

...see?

Bryant Trew

According to the director, the beeping was Frank telling Donnie to wake up because they were successful in fulfilling his task. This doesn't make sense to me, because in order for that to happen, Frank would have to have had full cognition of what was achieved in the tangent universe. But then we see Frank waking up and touching his eye, as if he wasn't fully aware of what was going on. The director said this also... that the people had a slight recollection of what had happened in the tangent universe - a vague idea if you will. Seems like a contradiction to me. First Frank is beeping his horn saying YAY, wake up man, get out of bed. But then he wakes up out of bed, with a WTF look on his face like everyone else.

Maybe we should ignore the director's commentary?

Matrix Reloaded isn\'t deep at all. It\'s a simple, rehashed concept dressed up in fancy words and designer outfits...

Real World: \"I\'m hungry as hell, so I\'m going to run my ass down to Micky D\'s to get me a burger and fries.\"

Matrix 2: \"I need sustenance, ergo, move I shall expeditiously to aquire a bovine delicacy and browned slices of potato from the franchised proprietor, Ronald Mac Donald.\"

...see?

Bryant Trew

Here's another question. If the Frank had been watching Donnie, and therefore the tangent universe always existed, then isn't the world always at risk of being destroyed?

Matrix Reloaded isn\'t deep at all. It\'s a simple, rehashed concept dressed up in fancy words and designer outfits...

Real World: \"I\'m hungry as hell, so I\'m going to run my ass down to Micky D\'s to get me a burger and fries.\"

Matrix 2: \"I need sustenance, ergo, move I shall expeditiously to aquire a bovine delicacy and browned slices of potato from the franchised proprietor, Ronald Mac Donald.\"

...see?

JohnRice

Bryant,

I know, in fact we all know that you don't like this film. Now you're just engaging in a monolog on why for three consecutive posts. The more you say, the more you show why you just don't get it. You have a whopping 37 posts (currently) in this forum and I think half of them have been in this thread slamming the film it was created to appreciate. Please observe the guidelines of the forum. The next time a moderator has to intervene may not be as gentle as the last.

BrianB

For someone who has repeatedly made it clear they dislike this film & can't understand why people enjoy it or care to discuss it in detail, you're sure spending a lot of time discussing & nitpicking it.

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Bryant Trew

Correction - I have said that DD was illogical. I never said that I wasn't entertained. What is so bad about me questioning the fact that the director commented about the horn beep, when his comment his inconsistent with the film? Am I only allowed to say these things if I absolutely loved the film or have made 2000 posts on this board?

Are my questions not legit?

Matrix Reloaded isn\'t deep at all. It\'s a simple, rehashed concept dressed up in fancy words and designer outfits...

Real World: \"I\'m hungry as hell, so I\'m going to run my ass down to Micky D\'s to get me a burger and fries.\"

Matrix 2: \"I need sustenance, ergo, move I shall expeditiously to aquire a bovine delicacy and browned slices of potato from the franchised proprietor, Ronald Mac Donald.\"

...see?

Bryant Trew

Another question for the DD experts. Does Frank or anyone else in the film ever mention the concept of tangent universes, or anything other than time travel?

I ask this, because the only events that began and concluded the anomolies was the plane engine falling from the future. The time travel part makes sense, but I don't see where the tangent universe really comes in. I'd go as far as saying that without this thread, I would have never caught on to a tangent universe.

Where are the TU clues in the film?

Matrix Reloaded isn\'t deep at all. It\'s a simple, rehashed concept dressed up in fancy words and designer outfits...

Real World: \"I\'m hungry as hell, so I\'m going to run my ass down to Micky D\'s to get me a burger and fries.\"

Matrix 2: \"I need sustenance, ergo, move I shall expeditiously to aquire a bovine delicacy and browned slices of potato from the franchised proprietor, Ronald Mac Donald.\"

...see?

JohnRice

I for one caught on to the tangent universe (tangent time line, whatever) at the end of the first viewing. It was pretty darn clear to me. Live Frank does not mention anything about time travel or tangent universes, because he is not aware of them. He is being manipulated by dead Frank, as others are. Why do you think Karen wrote "Cellar Door" on the chalk board? Do you really think some linguist actually said it was the perfect phrase? Why did Dead Frank direct Donnie to burn down Jim Cunningham's house when his goal was also to destroy that time line? He knew the memory would still lead to the destruction of Cunningham.

You have already brought up the horn honk several times. Give it a rest would you! I haven't even listened to the commentary, myself. It really isn't a big deal if there are hidden meanings that would only be known by the director if not for DVD commentaries.

You are not required to love the film, but it is agonizingly clear you don't like it and have some desire to convince the rest of us likewise. The other contributors to this thread do like it. Why can't you just let us be? Your comments are not constructive contributions to this thread. You have just switched from outright slamming to not so clever or subtle monologs trying to convince the rest of us that we are idiots for liking it. What you should really do is start your own thread discussing how stupid this film is instead of dumping on this one. I don't understand why that doesn't get through to you.

As far as your number of posts, I just find it curious that probably half of all your posts in this forum were trying to disable our appreciation of this film. I suggest you venture further into the HTF. You will find plenty of other threads to productively participate in rather than trying to disable this one. There are a multitude of very long discussions raving about movies I thank are crap. I just stay away from them, which is really the best thing to do.

Bryant Trew

John, what led you to think that there was a tangent universe? That's all I'm asking. It's clear that Donnie is being led by Frank, Drew and Noah, all throughout the movie. Drew and Noah I found to be the most interesting of them all, because the hints that they were in on the scheme were subtle. The best was when they were in school, and they turn to one another and say, "Donnie Darko" in disbelief.

So you have Frank who only appears to Donnie in visions, you have Drew and Noah who are characters in the present who ARE aware of what they are doing (instead of just being manipulated) and you have the channel which directs Donnie up to the gun in the bedroom. So yes it is clear that he is being led and that Frank from the future plays a part in the grand scheme of things like some of those in the present. But, I still don't see how that equates to a tangent universe. I just see where there is a need to turn back the clock - remember Donnie was trying to find out the master plan, and at the end he knew what was going on... "Deus Machina" [Frank races in] "Our Saviour." And thus understanding the masterplan, he turned back time.