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Old 04-08-2002, 11:03 AM   #151 of 356
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Seth,

Excellent analysis. And thanks for posting the text of the book.
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Old 04-08-2002, 01:25 PM   #152 of 356
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A very thought provoking film that I'm still processing after viewing it a couple of times over the weekend. One question:

If the parallel dimension (or whatever you want to call it) starts on Oct. 2 with the jet engine crashing, what is Donnie doing up on the ridge at the beginning of the film? Did Frank start talking to him prior to Oct. 2?

It's amazing that a film this good can sail under our collective radar screen until the DVD is released. I'm glad so many of us will catch up to this one in our HT's.

Highly recommended.

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Old 04-08-2002, 01:40 PM   #153 of 356
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After reading (and re-reading and re-reading...) The Philosophy Of Time Travel I tried to fit the movie into the book to help me understand it better and came up with the following:

The movie opens in the Primary Universe. Something happens to create the Tangent Universe (what?). It’s not really so much an event as just a point in time where the PU ends and the TU begins (not like a Parallel Universe where the two exist at the same time). A jet engine (Artifact) falls on Donnie’s house in the TU. The source of the jet engine cannot be explained. A TU is unstable and can exist for only a matter of weeks before collapsing on itself which forms a black hole in the PU that can destroy all of existence. Donnie’s job as the Living Receiver is to return the Artifact to the PU with the help or coercion of Manipulated Living and Manipulated Dead people (everyone else in the movie following the creation of the TU).

Donnie’s primary motivation for returning the Artifact to the PU is to save Gretchen’s life (and, conceivably, the world).

In the end Donnie manages to send the jet engine back to the PU. He either knows that the black hole is going to form or he causes the black hole to form over his house and he knows that his family will be on a jet returning home at that time. So the jet engine returns to the PU where it falls on Donnie’s house and kills him.

One troubling thing in The Philosophy Of Time Travel is the statement: “Those surrounding the Living Receiver, known as the Manipulated, will fear him and try to destroy him.” I can understand why they would want to destroy him because they are, after all, products of the TU and if Donnie is successful, he will destroy the TU. But in other places we are led to believe that the Manipulated are there to “help”, not destroy, him. Of course, in helping him they are actually destroying him and themselves as well. So which is it? Then again, they are called “Manipulated”....so maybe their natural inclination is to destroy the Living Receiver but are being manipulated to help him.

Rob, I think Donnie was sleepwalking as a result of his psychological issues long before Frank appears.

EDIT: As mentioned earlier, the web site is a good source of information, like the following:

Undersigned Affiant, Who After Being Duly Sworn By Me, On Oath, Makes The Following Statement:

I have good reason to believe and do believe that

Darko, Donald J. /M 05-28-72

On or About The 12th Day of January 1986, In the incorporated limits of the county of Fairfax and the State of Virginia, did then and there commit the offense of:

Attempted Escape - Class A

My belief of the foregoing statement is based on personal knowledge. On 01-12-86 at about 3:43am I was circling the perimeter of the Clearview Juvenile Detention Center when I discovered a white male, dressed in prison clothing, asleep in the fetal position in a grass field approximately 30 yards from the nothern perimeter fence.

On arrival to the location I noticed that the subject was regaining consciousness. His clothing was torn in several places and I could see several lacerations and bleeding from his hands, arms and legs.

Clothing fragments were clearly visible in the barb wire at the top of the fencing, as it appeared to me that the suspect had climbed the fence without regard for personal injury.

As I took the subject into custody, he was cooperative and apologetic. "I'm sorry," he said. "I am so sorry, I don't understand why this happens to me. I am so sorry."

Subject claimed that he did not remember the escape attempt because of his problems with sleepwalking.
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Old 04-09-2002, 08:17 AM   #154 of 356
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Garret,

It's not the jet engines that disrupt the equilibrium of the universe, it's the fact that Donnie does not die in the beginning. His death at the end restores the equilibrium (IMHO).
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Old 04-10-2002, 02:47 AM   #155 of 356
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It's not the jet engines that disrupt the equilibrium of the universe, it's the fact that Donnie does not die in the beginning.

But then why does Frank wake him up to begin with?



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Old 04-10-2002, 06:39 AM   #156 of 356
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But then why does Frank wake him up to begin with?


That's the BIGGIE. Maybe everything happened for the sole benefit of Donnie - so he could find some meaning for his life and come to terms with his search for God.
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Old 04-10-2002, 09:51 AM   #157 of 356
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Has anyone seen this poster? I'd love to buy it. I've only seen the black one with Frank's head.

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Old 04-10-2002, 11:32 AM   #158 of 356
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But then why does Frank wake him up to begin with?
Good question.

It seems as though it's implied that the Tangent Universe begins before the engine crash. And the book implies that the METAL object needs to be guided back to the primary universe. So I think what is happening is that something allows the first engine to jump into this Tangent Universe where it doesn't belong and at that point it is now Donnie's job to guide an engine back to the Primary Universe. I suppose it had to be a replacement rather than the original simply because there was no choice.

So Frank actually has to keep Donnie from being killed in the Tangent Universe so that he can make things correct in the Primary Universe. This means that the engine missing him is NOT what causes the Tangent Universe, but rather the engine has already slipped through by falling from the original plane in the Primary and hitting a wormhole perhaps. The book says the causes are unknown, just that these things happen.

The book talks of other people being killed by things from the future as Donnie will eventually be, it can be assumed that the engine that went into the Tangent Universe was from the same "future" flight in the Primary Universe, so to outsiders it will still look like he was killed by an engine from the future.

But if he had been killed by the engine in the Tangent Universe then both Universes would have been destroyed.

Of course the only thing that saved him was Frank who wouldn't have existed had he not saved him...another loop.


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Old 04-10-2002, 01:45 PM   #159 of 356
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Just to add to what Seth said.

Spoiler:
The movie makes a point of showing the grandfather clock at midnight the night Donnie doesn't die as well as the night he does die. Is that when the tangent universe is actually created? Who knows.





They flutter behind you, your possible pasts.
Some bright-eyed and crazy, some frightened and lost.

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Old 04-11-2002, 03:27 AM   #160 of 356
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Has anyone seen this poster? I'd love to buy it. I've only seen the black one with Frank's head.

Pretty cool although I still prefer the original.

I think the poster above would work much better without the faces, IMO.



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Old 04-11-2002, 03:29 AM   #161 of 356
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Damn.

I just noticed Frank's shadow in the street!!!

Keep that and ditch the faces and the poster would be way cool.



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