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OK,
I have a couple more things I would like to hear feedback on.
I'm guessing others noticed the Horror Double Feature of Evil Dead and The Last Temptation of
Christ!
Also, notice at the beginning of the film, Donnie seems at least somewhat happy. He smiles a bit after waking up and looking around. Is he happy because he has cheated death? Notice he is VERY happy at the end of the film when he knows he is about to die. Is this some sort if anti It's a Wonderful Life? I'm just trying to dig past the logistics.
DAMN! This is a fascinating film!
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03-22-2002, 02:49 PM
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Finally, I think getting too wrapped up in the logistics of the film with all the time line stuff tends to miss the core point. Deciding what that means to each of us is the difficult part.
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This I agree on whole heartedly. I don't think it is possible to ever find any definitive answers to fully explain this film. Not that anyone should stop sharing their thoughts on the film mind you, because it has certainly been fun reading everyones personal opinions on Donnie Darko.
While I thank everyone here for taking the time to share their own thoughts on the film and agreeing/disagreeing with my own I believe that everyone will find their own unique answers due to the overall vagueness of the film itself.
Now I know this type of film is not everyones cup of tea but I am always fascinated by these types of films (What that "type" is I am still not quite sure, LoL). The only other film that comes to mind that made me feel/think the way Donnie Darko has would have to be Mamoru Oshii's Avalon.
Well I gave it my best shot, LoL. I am sure others will disagree with my analysis of the film but as they say "c'est la vie".
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03-22-2002, 08:54 PM
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Good grief people, you're acting like this film was some special gift from the Gods... Riveting? Yes. Good storytelling? Not if you have to watch the commentaries two and three times and still not get the film.
Matrix Reloaded isn\'t deep at all. It\'s a simple, rehashed concept dressed up in fancy words and designer outfits...
Real World: \"I\'m hungry as hell, so I\'m going to run my ass down to Micky D\'s to get me a burger and fries.\"
Matrix 2: \"I need sustenance, ergo, move I shall expeditiously to aquire a bovine delicacy and browned slices of potato from the franchised proprietor, Ronald Mac Donald.\"
...see?
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03-22-2002, 09:19 PM
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Good grief people, you're acting like this film was some special gift from the Gods... Riveting? Yes. Good storytelling? Not if you have to watch the commentaries two and three times and still not get the film.
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NO KIDDING, BRYANT. This thread should be shut immediately and we should all spend our time in a truly thought-provoking one like " Okay - which will get the biggest box office - HP, LOTR or Monsters Inc? " I mean, that one has over 30,000 hits and over 1,400 responses. It MUST be an intriguing topic. Of course, we could join the almost 50,000 hits about a movie that doesn't even come out for two months. 
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03-22-2002, 11:24 PM
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I just watched this movie and I am still reeling.
Did anyone else notice at the beginning of chapter 22, right after Donnie's sister tells him she got into Harvard, the rabbit head on the counter? What's that all about?
-Mike
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03-23-2002, 12:59 AM
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I'm glad I read this thread.
The first time I saw the film, I did not get it at all. Does that mean I thought it was bad?
HELL NO!
It was easily the most thought-provoking film outside of Memento I saw last year and I thought it was the best directorial debut since Shamaylan's The Sixth Sense. And reading this thread just proves that even more. So many theories and well structured answers to wade through.
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03-23-2002, 01:54 AM
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Absolutely, Travis!
I actually find it more discussion worthy than Memento. I think there are deeper philosophical issues at play. All of a sudden because a film is complex and not obvious, it's poorly done? Incredible! Some Universities offer entire programs on analyzing Tolstoy. I guess that means he was an incompetent author.
They flutter behind you, your possible pasts.
Some bright-eyed and crazy, some frightened and lost.
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03-23-2002, 11:24 AM
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Did anyone else notice at the beginning of chapter 22, right after Donnie's sister tells him she got into Harvard, the rabbit head on the counter? What's that all about?
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There is a deleted scene that shows Donnie and his sister carving pumpkins. When she asks him to spin his pumpkin around so that she can see it, it clearly shows that Frank was his inspiration.
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My friend Joe said exactly the same thing.
Dwayne
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03-24-2002, 01:25 AM
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I just finished watching for the first time and I really enjoyed it. It's been very interesting to read everyone's ideas. I need to process the film in my mind some more before I weigh in.
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03-24-2002, 08:46 AM
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NO KIDDING, BRYANT. This thread should be shut immediately and we should all spend our time in a truly thought-provoking one like "Okay - which will get the biggest box office - HP, LOTR or Monsters Inc? " I mean, that one has over 30,000 hits and over 1,400 responses. It MUST be an intriguing topic. Of course, we could join the almost 50,000 hits about a movie that doesn't even come out for two months.
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John, I never said or implied to shut the thread down. I came here to discuss it after all didn't I? All I'm saying is that you and others are acting like you found the lost holy grail, when IMO it could be nothing more than an empty Coke can falling from an Airplane. Sounds familiar? Here's another theory. The director was making reference to The God's Must Be Crazy. Or how about, Donnie was actually Christ and Swayze really was the Anti-Christ? Or maybe the old lady was supposed to have died instead of his girlfriend? You could go on and on. Personally, I prefer the writer/director to be able to explain what I missed in the film, but he doesn't.
Deep and complicated is a film like Pi. It requires intellectual muscle to understand it. The responses to this film all over the WWW, and listening to the commentary show that the film is nothing more than a highly entertaining car wreck. This film did not require intellectual muscle.
Of course the other option was that he just wanted to make something entertaining. You know, like the blockbusters you mention
Matrix Reloaded isn\'t deep at all. It\'s a simple, rehashed concept dressed up in fancy words and designer outfits...
Real World: \"I\'m hungry as hell, so I\'m going to run my ass down to Micky D\'s to get me a burger and fries.\"
Matrix 2: \"I need sustenance, ergo, move I shall expeditiously to aquire a bovine delicacy and browned slices of potato from the franchised proprietor, Ronald Mac Donald.\"
...see?
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03-24-2002, 04:06 PM
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It was actually a Coke bottle 
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