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Old 04-04-2002, 02:00 PM   #151 of 272
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I'm just gonna agree with Michael Perez' last post, and leave it at that.







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Old 04-04-2002, 05:20 PM   #152 of 272
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most of the film is edited normally

Statements like this can't be proven true any more than my own subjective opinion of the movie as a whole. If we want to establish a criteria for what constitutes 'normal editing' we might as well develop similar criteria for 'normal pacing,' 'normal script,' etc. You see where I'm going? Normal for that type of film? Normal for the types of films that you enjoy? Even if by normal editing you mean conventional editing, I must respectfully disagree.

I admire Moulin Rouge. So much about the picture appealed to me: the songs, the plot, and the imagery. Ewan McGregor was amazing.

I felt that aside from the 'heightened editing' during the Moulin Rouge introductory sequence (and select others) that the editing throughout the picture, by my count, was still frenetic in just about every scene.

This comes down to what each of us need personally in order to emotionally invest in a picture. It's a simple issue of subjective taste. I get frustrated when a director won't let me linger on a character or on an image for too long, it makes me feel like the subject matter is not being taken seriously and instead being put through a spin cycle. The slow, romantic lyrical scenes still felt like a series of panning reaction shots to me. It was frustrating for me to want to like a film so much, but to cringe every time a beautiful set-up shot was suddenly cut off and replaced with another similarly incomplete shot. This is what I saw throughout most of the picture, and perhaps I was watching a different film, but it's what I saw.

Listen, I consider this all friendly debate. I have no strong negative feelings about MR, but ever since the debacle that was Armageddon, I developed a neurosis and hyper awareness for quick cut editing.

Also, I love certain films that many people consider truly, truly bad, from the best and worst in Italian Horror to the film Magnolia (which many could argue used too many panning shots and was an over pretentious waste of celluloid). My point it, we all have opionions and views, they're all valuable, and bottom line: I wanted so much to like Moulin Rouge and am just disappointed that it didn't satisfy me.

Cheers and peace,

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Old 04-05-2002, 09:13 AM   #153 of 272
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I found the editing in the opening through the "Can-Can" sequence to be entirely approporiate. The post Can-Can scenes in Satine's quarters leading up to the "Your Song" musical number featured what I considered to be the most offensively bad editing.

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Old 04-06-2002, 11:48 AM   #154 of 272
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I usually don't chime in unless I really like something.
I wasn't planning on watching it until I read this thread. Musicals aren't my cup of tea. My wife and I watched it last night. I wasn't so sure about it when I heard
Spoiler:
The Sound of Music at the beginning.
(again not my cup of tea) It grew on me quickly. I was visually stunned by the vibrant colors. Even with my little 27" Sharp TV it had me zoned in until the end. It was predictable but entertaining for me at least. My wife fell asleep. She got bored with it right away. Me: Her:



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Old 04-16-2002, 10:59 AM   #155 of 272
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Was Moulin Rouge ruined ?


I am not a big fan of Baz..but i liked Romeo and Juliet for its style, but found Moulin Rouge to be very dull.

Now having watch disc 2 of my not so precious Moulin Rouge DVD. I kept asking myself if MOULIN ROUGE was ruined in the editing room.

When i watched the dance sequences and the original opening as a whole, i found it very surprising that they had a much more classical tone to them that remembered me of R+J.

The film feels much more "MTV" like. This film would have been way better if they didn`t chop up those great dance scenes.

This is a film i care about and a movie i wanted to be better.

It is a shame that is was ruined in the editing room (at least i suppose that is was ruined there.)




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Old 04-16-2002, 11:04 AM   #156 of 272
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It is a shame that is was ruined in the editing room (at least i suppose that is was ruined there.)


Of course that's your opinion. I loved it! I like it a little more each time I see it. IMHO



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Old 04-16-2002, 11:10 AM   #157 of 272
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I just get more angry everytime i see it

but of course that is only my opinion.




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Old 04-16-2002, 11:55 AM   #158 of 272
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Maybe you could stop watching it?
I know that I don't watch movies over and over again that I don't like...



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Old 04-16-2002, 12:18 PM   #159 of 272
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I love the movie, but the insanely manic editing really does detract from the experience.
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Old 04-16-2002, 12:30 PM   #160 of 272
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I really like the insanely manic editing.
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Old 04-16-2002, 12:32 PM   #161 of 272
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Time will eventually be the judge of this film's worthiness, but for now I just love it. Baz has breathed new life into a tired format. You guys might want to check out the brief interview with him in the current issue of Sound & Vision.



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Old 04-16-2002, 12:40 PM   #162 of 272
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