Seth Paxton

Bruce, I really liked it the first time through, but the 2nd viewing moved it even farther up my list. The quality and originality help it grow as a film, I think.


Snatch is 2000 and I don't count it when totalling films. Keep that in mind on these totals, they are "if we picked the Oscars" types of totals, same as I did last year. We need to keep our discussions on the same group of films, thus the "randomly" chosen criteria of Academy rules.

And while Snatch is in most ways a lesser sequel to LS2SB, I don't fault it for being the same, mostly because "sequels" usually are. We don't fault R.Dogs and Pulp for being similar in many ways.


Okay, let me do my list adjustments and then I will retotal. I will probably make this a weekly thing till the Oscars. Lots of rentals on 2001 films and wide-release of late films will have people "fixing" their lists.

I just saw Anniversary Party, Vanilla Sky, and APie 2 and will be watching the rest of Wet Hot American Summer, Jackpot and Rock Star this weekend. Party and Sky were both very good to me.

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Matt Stone

Updated by moving Black Hawk Down to #5.

John Thomas

Seth Paxton

I believe it's NY or LA.

The Academy site has extensive explanation of the eligibility rules, although it's been months since I was there.

About to bring out this week's totals.

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Bruce Hedtke

I really hope to get a clarification on this point of releases as well. I try to stick to the criteria of a wide release schedule, rather than a film getting Oscar eligibility by releasing in two markets. I mean, it's meant to be seen by the majority audience in January but doesn't want to give up its Oscar nomination. That, to me, doesn't qualify it as a 2001 film...or 2000...or whatever the year in question is. That's just my theory, and since I don't get to see alot of films in the theaters, it usually doesn't make much difference. The only real questionable film coming up for me is Brotherhood of the Wolf-is that considered a 2001 or 2002 film? I'm thinking 2001 unless proven otherwise. The only reason I ask is because I remember someone mentioning whether BOTW would get the Oscar nomination for France's film selection.

Bruce

The Mads are calling

Seth Paxton

Well, think of it this way. The Oscars are March, so it's not so crazy to go with a list that basically includes WIDE RELEASES into JAN. I realize that it puts the TRUE JAN releases in a funny spot, but the one offset of that is that those films rarely are in the Oscar running anyway which is why they didn't get leaked out a month early in the first place.

Again, the criteria serves only 1 purpose - to ensure that everyone is discussing the same group of films. These films all get released within 1 year of each other basically and there is a B&W criteria to get on that list.

I don't expect people to have their lists done by JAN 1. We all know this is an ongoing list as some of these films trickle out to other markets. However, few Oscar films go wide later than JAN.

And finally, this is Jason's thread and his rule is WIDE or NY/LA. The only time that doesn't matter is for MY TOTALS. And that is because you can't have a total with varied criteria.

The total is supposed to reflect the HTF as a professional critic who would get to see these films on their limited release and would include them in their 2001 list (we simulate this by not finalizing the lists till much later). Just so we can compare what WE think with what THEY think.

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Seth Paxton

This weeks totals

By total points

Memento 322.5
LOTR:FOTR 270
Moulin Rouge 228.5
A.I. 222.5
Muholland Drive 178.5

Royal Tenenbaums 166.5
Amelie 152.5
Man Who Wasn't There 93
A Beautiful Mind 87
Black Hawk Down 82

In the Bedroom 80
Vanilla Sky 79
Shrek 78
Monsters, Inc 68
Ghost World 62


By Appearances

Memento 39
FOTR 37
Moulin Rouge 36
A.I. 30
Royal Tenebaums 28

Muholland Drive 23
Amelie 22
Man Who Wasn't 18
Beautiful Mind 17
Monsters, Inc 17

By average - 1st = 10 points 10th = 1 point
(5 lists or more)

Memento 8.3
Muholland Drive 7.8
A.I. 7.4
FOTR 7.3
Mood for Love 7.0

Amelie 6.9
Amores Perros 6.4
Moulin Rouge 6.3
In the Bedroom 6.2
Vanilla Sky 6.1


Again, average can show things that haven't been seen OR films that might polorize themselves or connect strongly with people who like the film while others might just think "eh".

There are films that made lots of lists, but everyone put them in the 7-10 range. Just something to think about, not sure what it means.

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Seth Paxton

BTW, could you imagine the Academy making our top 5 the Best Pix nominees. Now that would be a breakthrough.

John Thomas

Quote:

Again, the criteria serves only 1 purpose - to ensure that everyone is discussing the same group of films. These films all get released within 1 year of each other basically and there is a B&W criteria to get on that list.

I totally agree with the purpose of coming up with a standard - for the exact reason you mention. However, since the standard was never really defined it makes it difficult for everyone participating. Having said that, here are the actual rules for the standard we are to establish here:


2. All eligible motion pictures, unless otherwise noted (see Paragraph 9 below), must be:

a) feature length (defined as over 40 minutes),

b) publicly exhibited by means of 35mm or 70mm film or non-video tape digital process,

c) for paid admission in a commercial motion picture theater in Los Angeles County,

d) for a run of at least seven consecutive days,

e) advertised and exploited during its Los Angeles run in a manner considered normal and customary to the industry, and

f) within the awards year deadlines specified in Rule Three.

...with Rule 3:

1. The required Los Angeles County qualifying run (described in Rule Two Paragraph 2) must open between January 1, 2001 and midnight of December 31, 2001.

2. A picture theatrically exhibited inside the U.S. prior to the Los Angeles qualifying run shall be eligible for submission provided the prior exhibition takes place in a commercial motion picture theater after January 1, 2000, and that no other form of public exhibition occurs through the completion of its Los Angeles run (previews and festivals excluded).

3. A picture first theatrically exhibited outside the U.S. prior to the Los Angeles qualifying run shall be eligible for submission provided the prior exhibition takes place in a commercial motion picture theater after January 1, 2000, with the following further conditions:

a) the film may not be exhibited publicly in any other medium for a six-month period following the commencement of its initial theatrical engagement, and

b) after the six-month period, the film may play in non-theatrical forms provided they are outside the U.S. (No film which is shown inside the U.S. in any non-theatrical form prior to its qualifying Los Angeles run shall be eligible for Academy Awards.)

4. Official Screen Credits forms may be returned to the Academy prior to the qualifying Los Angeles release, but not later than sixty days after such opening. However, all Official Screen Credits forms must be returned to the Academy by December 3, 2001.

5. An achievement submitted for Academy Award consideration may not be withdrawn after January 31, 2002.

6. Exceptions to the above eligibility periods and submission deadlines appear in the Special Rules for the Documentary Awards (see Rule Twelve), the Foreign Language Film Award (see Rule Fourteen), and the Short Films Awards (see Rule Nineteen).

As long as the movie opens in LA County in that year, it's eligible for that year. Snatch opened in LA County on 12/6/00 so it is a 2000 film. Odd, but if that's the rule we all agree upon then that's that.

Glad we've got that cleared up. :b

Bru